Wednesday, June 03, 2020

NEWSDAY POLL OF NYC AND LI RESIDENTS FINDS MOST WOULD BE OK SENDING KIDS BACK TO SCHOOL WITH SOCIAL DISTANCING; PLEASE FILL OUT OUR SURVEY ON REOPENING BUILDINGS

Some interesting poll results from Newsday. Mount Sinai, South Nassau conducted the survey shown below. 71% would send their kids back to school while only 16% would not. 52% of that 71% number would want social distancing in the schools as a condition of returning. Only 45% would get a coronavirus vaccine if one were available. We won't get any herd immunity with that number.

Meanwhile, click on our own survey that Jonathan Halabi wrote and a reader made into a Google Form to add your opinion on how schools should reopen. The survey now has over 100 responses. Not bad for a tiny little blog like ours. It is highly recommended that readers try to get a conversation going in their schools on how schools should operate in the fall. We'll get some results to you when we have more in but of course, it won't be scientific. Ours is a skewed audience. Still, it is a good survey to launch discussions among teachers and other UFTers.

CORONAVIRUS POLL
A recent survey of 600 Long Island and New York City residents found:

• 52% would send their children to school in the fall, if there is social distancing.

19% would allow their kids to be in school with no restrictions.

16% wouldn’t send their children to school.

• 45% would get a coronavirus vaccine if one is available.

25% would not. The rest were unsure or wouldn’t answer the question.

• 86% won’t greet people with a handshake.

• 18% would go to a beach or park without restrictions.

34% would go to a beach or park with social distancing.

• 51% will not eat in a restaurant or go to a bar no matter what.

37% would go with social distancing and sanitization.

SOURCE: Mount Sinai South Nassau

150 comments:

Anonymous said...

Duh. We are free babysitters. What did you expect. And social distancing is impossible.

Anonymous said...

It is interesting that roughly half of the small number of 600 people would feel safe sending their kids to school with social distancing also say they would not eat in a restaurant or go to a bar no matter what. WHAT? Won't eat in a restaurant no matter what but would send your kids to school? Nearly half would get vaccine if available, sounds like we are all wanting to get back to normal and we do. I cannot get over the fact families "won't eat out no matter what" but they would "send their children" into schools knowing it is nearly impossible to adhere to social distancing in any overcrowded brick and mortar school building

Mike said...

I did the survey. It was a good one. Thanks, Jon!

Today is June 4th, 2020. Three weeks from tomorrow is the official end of the school year. For September, I know nothing. Crickets aren’t even coming from the doe.

There is so much business that has to be done. Evaluations, SBO votes, calendar, returning keys, gathering belongings and the list goes on.

Has anyone heard any news on anything?

Heck, I even emailed my principal asking questions about excessing to which I received a vague answer. I get it. He doesn’t know.

I will never opt out of the union bc I know what goes on in the charter schools(they don’t like you and you are gone and thankfully the doe schools don’t have that), but what is mulgrew doing? April 23rd he said a calendar would be out. It’s June. Nothing.

Mulgrew can tell us he’s unhappy with the doe. That’s great. But why are there no law suits?

I’m not upset in the union. I’m disappointed. The doe is playing games with mulgrew and they are winning.

Anonymous said...

Wanna here a funny one? Amy follows someone on twitter named "All cops are bastards."

How nice.

Anonymous said...

So what? Guilt by association?

James Eterno said...

I couldn't care less about who Amy follows on twitter.

Anonymous said...

But you have brother who was a cop. You think that is acceptable? i think it is offensive. And this is the union who represents us and we pay?

Anonymous said...

As teachers, aren't we supposed to keep political views out? How about setting an example? being good role models? How about representing over 100k people?

Anonymous said...

Wow.
@NYGovCuomo
said that
@ReporterMarina
’s question about NYPD using excessive force with protestors is “incendiary” and that “they don’t do that.”

James Eterno said...

My brother John Eterno is a retired NYPD Captain, now a professor at Molloy.

He did not support the numbers bs when stop and frisk was out of control under Bloomberg. His research was used in the Floyd case that found its overuse unconstitutional. John also does not support the de Blasio hold down the numbers approach either.

Crime stats like ed stats are way too politicized.

You may have guessed that my brother and I have had a political argument or two over the years.

Anonymous said...

If what 1153 said is true, I'm opting out today. That is disgusting.

Eric said...

Who do we complain to? Mulgrew? I get they support dems, but that is not appropriate and certainly doesnt represent my view on police. After checking,there are many questionable follows who our "reps" choose to endorse.

Mike said...

1201,

Why is it offensive to have a relative who is a police officer? I have friends in law enforcement and I am proud to have them as friends.

At this time in society, we need to come together and not aspersions upon each other.

There is nothing wrong with supporting law enforcement, yet admitting that unfair treatment needs to end.

Please read George w bush’s comments. I was one of his biggest critics, but what he said was very valid for what is happening.

As teachers, we have faced the wrath of the public for teachers who committed or were accused of egregious acts, so we should also support quality friends and family in law enforcement while admitting that there are injustices that must never happen again.

For example, I was at a barbecue and was asked ‘how can you cash checks for being a teacher when there are people like Howard Kuwait out there?’ I had to take the bs. This person did not want to recognize that Kuwait was a principal.

Sometimes, it’s better to remain quiet and smile and move on.

Joho said...

Uft endorsed. "Our office has learned that every single one of the St. Louis looters and rioters arrested were released back onto the streets by local prosecutor Kim Gardner.”

Missouri AG
@Eric_Schmitt
says Soros-backed prosecutor released arrested looters from jail.

James Eterno said...

As a private citizen, you can express any view you like 12:04. I believe it is called the 1st Amendment.

Anonymous said...

James, you know damn well we cant bring politics into classroom.

James Eterno said...

Back close to topic please. Thank you. The Newsday poll and Jonathan's survey didn't mention police, protests or looters getting out of jail.

It is very important for us to talk about how teachers return. Don't lose sight of that please.

Anonymous said...

You think a survey will have any effect on the uft? No? Why bother?

James Eterno said...

Not true, DOE says we need to be neutral politically. I talked politics in the classroom for 32 years. Never once got in trouble for it. You need to be smart about it.

Anonymous said...

Topic is uft protecting us, obviously they wont and dont.

James Eterno said...

School level is where conversations need to happen.

Anonymous said...

I believe the uft higherups have a responsibility not to say things like that.

Once you get the results of the survey, you will do what?

shelley said...

My Survey of NYC and how I think things will go down.
51% will not eat in a restaurant or go to a bar no matter what. This one jumps out, and, as another poster here noted, especially when you consider other responses like, • 52% would send their children to school in the fall, if there is social distancing. I doubt you'd get a number that high in NYC, that is if any bars and restaurants, other than the predatory franchises that have been battling the surge of new and old mom and pops for gentrified spaces for the last 30 years, survive. My neighborhood looks sad. Beaten down, broken, filthy, shuttered, smashed, boarded up, vacated, but for a delivery joint here or there and the banks and the franchises. Restaurants that survived the 70s, the 80s, the 90s, the Dotcom bubble burst in silicon alley, September 11, the Housing bust financial crisis or Great Recession, are gone, sign sez, thanks but we’re finished. But down the block folks want in. You see it and feel it. And the shops that are still breathing want, desperately want and need patrons and are doing everything to get people to order something, anything, sit on the street, in an alley, stand at a barrel, have a bite, a drink, have a seat, take a rest. The garbage is evidence of a change: the bottles, bottles, bottles, we are drinking at home, a lot, the food packaging, we are cooking at home, and eating, a lot. The kids are eating us out of house and home. They boys rip down the playground barriers again and again. Gotta play. There is also the refuse, from the people who fled and from the spring cleaning and DIY fix it ups. And, I still see Help Wanted signs at some places, delivery person wanted. I now hear the jack hammers hammering, the pile driver is driving, air conditioners buzzing, and there is three-hour traffic on the Cross Bronx to NJ in the afternoon, the usual crawl up and over the GW. And the garden plots and flowerpots have never looked better, so there's life, hope springs eternal... And I want to be optimistic and positive, but NYC is, as Jagger sez, shattered, shattered. And we were, though no trickle down trickled and no rising tide lifted all boats, as Stevie sez, Too High. Too high. High like groceries. And now, as Gil Scott sez, Whiteys on the Moon (space X and NASA, gotta give credit where credit is due). All that empty office space won't fill again. Billionaire Rowe looks like a darkened sector of Sim City. Wall Street, a shadow of itself after 9-11 is now a shadow of a shadow, as hard to occupy as Little Italy. What happened to Little Italy? Tiny Italy? Is there a block left? An Italian Restaurant? The city is in a hole so deep, it's Billions of dollars deep and the high taxes are gonna kill any come back because the bosses have more productive workers, paying their own electric bills and phone bills, sitting on their own office furniture at computers they paid for, Zooming and Meeting in Google Land. See today’s BLS numbers on unemployment claims and productivity. Looks like 20% Unemployment (headline) will be hit once the May numbers are all added in. That’s a depression. And 65 million tourists aren’t coming here. And no Contest Capitalism, prize to the highest bidder Bloomberg race to the top, or bottom if you are in education, is gonna leverage up capital to revitalize and gentrify NYC this time, not after Amazon flipped that game on NYC, left Bill the Mayor in the lurch and AOC wondering what the fuck happened. Meanwhile the Amazon vans race up and down the ghost town, they own the empty streets, delivering everything dollars can be exchanged for. So who won that contest? Well, at least the workers got some attention after they had the balls to stand up to Bozoz.But I digress. Yes, Newsday is not my newspaper, but a survey is a survey, for what it’s worth. Not a big fan. I listen to the sound of silence and I put my ear to Gotham’s gutter and hear it dying this time.

Anonymous said...

DOE says we cant talk politics but you do it anyway. That means we cant. If you say you voted for trump they call you racist, but uft rep saying or following all cops are bastards is cool.

Anyway, back to topic, you know very well surveys mean nothing to the uft. What teachers want means nothing. Say 100% all agree it is unsafe to go in on september 8...then what? You know uft will bow to mayor and governor.

Anonymous said...

Either mass protests spread covid-19 widely, in which case allowing them is massive and despicable hypocrisy by Democratic politicians that endangers lives, or they don't, in which case continuing lockdowns is massive and despicable hypocrisy that endangers lives.

Anonymous said...

Staff members will be expected to kneel during morning pledge of allegiance in front of the students come September.

TJL said...

If you also don't like the UFT failing to condemn the assaults and attempted murder of PBA members on the job you (many people in many schools) need to contact your CL, your DR, and get it up the food chain.
If you leave the union then you have no voice at all.

Anonymous said...

School level is where conversations need to happen, says James. Followed by 500 complaints that they are being abused by admin with no uft help.

Anonymous said...

Why are the uft HQ boarded up?

Anonymous said...

The UFT HQs are boarded up in case the angry members come down and riot.

Anonymous said...

Just a reminder that Al Sharpton is an anti-Semite who stoked violence that destroyed and cost lives. Who shall I tell that to, the uft who endorses him?

Anonymous said...

uft help???

Good morning!! Did anyone else's CL screw them over for today? Our admin out together a great (in my opinion) agenda for today that had us starting at 10 with grade level meetings, breaking for lunch, and continuing at 12 with vertical planning. All in all, we would be done by 1.

Then the CL c emails her with the chancellor's agenda and "suggests" that we follow that one. Which starts us at 8 and doesnt end until 230. WTF????? I thought CL's were supposed to protect against extra work, not create it. This is frustrating. How am I supposed to care for myself and my family if I'm online from 8 to almost 3?????

Anonymous said...

Calendar?
Open market?
SPRING BREAK COMP?

Anonymous said...

@1:57,
I agree 100%. We had a protest last Sunday upstate and everyone wore a mask. That's not happening down here. My kid is the valedictorian of her high school and her graduation will be done via Zoom. So many graduating high school and college seniors have missed important milestones of their lives. If this Covid thing is still in the air, folks should be wearing masks in large groups and it should be enforced - if it isn't then our kids should be allowed to graduate like human beings.

Anonymous said...

Let us get a buyout offer to all, not just atr pool.

Anonymous said...

Recall the CL

Anonymous said...

Calendar: The first, the first chance Carranza gets

Open market: It is out. No jobs on it is a mere technicality.

Spring Break Comp: At least the Mayor can still laugh that someone is weaker than him when he thinks about Mulgrew and all of the weak ass do nothing teachers who are only capable of anonymous blog comments.

Anonymous said...


1)Spike in coronavirus in Israel’s capital spreads nationwide
118 cases in one day * more than 13,000 teachers, students in isolation

https://www.jpost.com/health-science/10-more-schools-shutdown-thousands-of-students-and-teachers-in-isolation-630259


2)
"A sharp rise in the number of coronavirus patients in Israel, particularly among students and teachers, is causing health and education officials to consider shutting down the school system for the rest of the academic year."

https://www.clevelandjewishnews.com/jns/10-000-israelis-quarantined-43-schools-closed-following-covid-19-spike/article_139bf880-5ce0-54dd-bbc4-27c44764ef3b.html

Anonymous said...

Could 10% of the money going to the family of George Floyd be earmarked for the lady he held a gun to?

Anonymous said...

THEY MATTER TOO Broken heart

It breaks my heart to talk about this but so many young black innocent babies have been shot & killed

No outrage, No Riots and No media coverage. #BlackLivesMatter ?

PLEASE SAY THIER NAMES

James Eterno said...

Stay on topic please.

waitingforsupport said...

I completed the survey. I hope that all educators strongly react by feet, to any reopening plan that jeopardizes their wellbeing or doesn't include their voices-the folks who must enter school buildings.

Anonymous said...

If you have always believed that everyone should play by the same rules and be judged by the same standards, that would have gotten you labeled a radical 60 years ago, a liberal 30 years ago and a racist today.

Anonymous said...

How sad. May he rest in peace. 77 years old. Retired officer. Protecting a shop from looting. David Dorn’s life mattered too, but news outlets like CNN chose not to talk about him because condemning rioters and looters forces them to abandon their claims that the Floyd protests are largely peaceful.

waitingforsupport said...

@8:18 you sound like you're in the midst of turmoil.

Anonymous said...

Another day, no calendar, no open market, no spring break comp...Think they will be ready for Sept 8?

Anonymous said...

925,

The answer I have been told on the calendar is ‘soon’. This was 6 weeks ago. The doe just can’t get out of their own way.

Open market has 1 or 2 vacancies I believe, but very little.

So much has to or should have to get done that won’t.

Anonymous said...

Sorry to see that James Eterno is part of the radical left that censors any speech they disagree with. He lies by commenting to stay on topic, when they are exactly on point. I used to respect James even though I disagreed with his politics. Now I see him for what he is. If someones only response to sound reason is to censor, then that person, sadly, is pathetic and weak.

Shelley said...

Speaking of surveys, this survey, the jobs report, released at 8:30 NY Time may be the best news we've had since March.
Economists predicted that today's survey would add another 2 million lost jobs to the U.S. economy, pushing unemployment to depression level, 19-20%, but we added 2.5 million jobs in May, as unemployment fell to 13.3%, says Bureau of Labor Statistics.

This is good news. And, it reminds us how dynamic and resilient is the largest economy in the world. WOW!!! Amazing

AND, progress on a vaccine is accelerating at warp speed.



Happy Friday folks,

Shelley

James Eterno said...

Just stay remotely close to the topic. Thanks. If you go off, please keep it close. The jobs report is close because it is related to reopening.

Anonymous said...

"Police brutality is indiscriminate" conflicts with "BECAUSE OF RACISM." And if your claim is that police brutality is disproportionate, I'm going to need your statistical evidence that takes into account proportionality of crime, not mere

Anonymous said...

The problem with the uft is that they have become radical. They endorse crime and fraud, both in and out of the DOE. The 3 black teenagers who robbed and killed the white college student, Tessa Majors, have all been arrested & pled guilty.

If 3 white kids killed a black girl— it would have been called a lynching.

Why wasn’t this considered a racially-motivated crime?

Anonymous said...

The uft spends more time on political, racial BS then defending its own members. Pretyy amazing. Spend more time retweeting BLM than getting us a good contract. How about that spring break comp? Negotiated yet?

There is a total of 1 open market job in the system posted. That includes every school, every subject, every grade level. System is fake anyway...

How much time have they spent coming into schools and fixing problems, getting students disciplined, fighting over fair grading? None?

I waited as long as I could, the uft and i just are going down 2 totally different roads. Cant support what they support. Pulled dues this morning.

Anonymous said...

"Disband the police" is a great idea! I hope all Democrats campaign on it. Does the uft support this?


Ilhan Omar
@IlhanMN
· 22m
The Minneapolis Police Department has proven themselves beyond reform.

It’s time to disband them and reimagine public safety in Minneapolis.

Thank you to @MplsWard3 for your leadership on this! https://time.com/5848705/disband-and-replace-minneapolis-police/

Anonymous said...

“The safety of students and staff is our first priority. If people have an alternative suggestion to better ensure that safety, we are willing to discuss it.” --Michael Mulgrew https://ny.chalkbeat.org/2020/6/4/21280549/nypd-schools-funding?utm_campaign=ny.chalkbeat.org&utm_content=entry&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter via
@ChalkbeatNY

James Eterno said...

The UFT is anything but radical. They would rather we be fighting these racial fights as opposed to focusing on conditions in actual classrooms. By mentioning the above incident, you feed into the divide and conquer mindset.

This blog is trying to find the issues that unite us as UFTers and working people. When everyone goes racing to their own identity corner, the usual result is the divided group of workers is pounced upon. That is why I would prefer for people to stay on topic or close to it. Disagree all you like on the posts but please remember the goal is to unite on our concerns as teachers and UFTers. If you can help there, great. If not, I can concede and stop trying. You will win and this blog can go like others have.

Anonymous said...

Im confused. You said they arent radical but would rather be in radical fights instead of helping in the classroom. Dont you see a problem there?

george said...

Anti police and anti white is radical.

Anonymous said...

if infection rate stays steady @4%, how can schools remain closed? interested in to see how these protests impact numbers. if numbers don't go up in a month, this crisis is over for now at least. One Dr. was speaking on media..saying he thinks this is more like a fly pattern, dies down in summer, comes back in fall, winter. My Unity CL is saying if they try to reopen UFT will file law suits. But if infections are low, we should reopen, knowing that we will have to close if a second wave.
THis is an opportunity to deal with danielson...the coronvirus killed danielson and this needs to be addressed. that rubric needs to go. we need to go back to s/u, especially if we dont reopen and we are getting observed on line.

Anonymous said...

De Blasio can’t explain why NYC saw spike in coronavirus hospitalizations. Want me to explain it? The person we negotiate against isnt too smart yet he beats us every time

Anonymous said...

If you dont live NYC but love NYC and support our kids and family THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO YOU! YOU ARE WELCOME HERE.
But, Why do people who hate the city work here? cause you want a check? Right? Would you tolerate a work force in your municipality that scorns the town they work for, cursing and criticizing it? For all the haters,this is for you hypocrites, New York City ... love it or leave and if you take a check from our NYC taxpayers.... shut your mouth..or go get a job with your local municipality ...(oh, reality check, they don't want you either)
Just so you know, NYC residents don't like you and don't want you here. You take a city jobs, clog our streets, use our services and just go back to your suburb or move out of state. if you want to work here, show some respect. So tired of listening to people who don't live here but work here who hate it here....thankfully, there is a movement for a residency requirement... If you are a republican who works for NYC, how does it feel to be have liberals your salary... you are the welfare recipient, like Mitch McConnell looking for handout.. you take and you don't give... most of cant teach your way out of a paper bag...because cant relate to NYC life. GET OUT, PLEASE!

James Eterno said...

What radical fights? I look at what is good for educators and unionists. This blog usually has a rather narrow focus. The comments go off topic.

Anonymous said...

This is your quote. The UFT is anything but radical. They would rather we be fighting these racial fights as opposed to focusing on conditions in actual classrooms.

Mike said...

James,

With summer camps being given the green light to open in late June, do you think cuomo will look at summer camps and the possible spread of the virus as an almost sort of experience that to gauge what to do about schools in the fall?

My instincts tell me we will start like every other year and possibly go to remote learning if/when numbers increase in the fall or winter.

I just wish mulgrew were more pro-active with regards to doe matters.

Has anyone heard a legit answer from mulgrew on calendar, ratings, SBO votes or any other end of the year business? I haven’t except that the calendar will be out ‘soon’

Be well everyone!

James Eterno said...

For the record I don't support violence or looting.

James Eterno said...

Arguing amongst ourselves on non-school, non union issues. Doesn't help us.

waitingforsupport said...

Radical left. Crazy Right. Aren't we all Americans? United states of America. United we stand. So much labeling. September will be here shortly. What are your plans? Walk into a possible petri dish or take it to the streets by refusing to buckle in to the pressure of your boss?

James Eterno said...

DOE is dysfunctional Mike but they have figured out the UFT is not important enough to matter.

waitingforsupport said...

@12:06 pm: Racism exists. Some cops are racist. What are your plans for returning to your school building in September? What are your thoughts on the above survey?

waitingforsupport said...

12:44pm: What is your definition of radical? Crime and fraud is in the DNA of America. I love my country but it is what it is.

Mike said...

In 15 years of teaching, I have figured out that the doe most likely sits in a room and says ‘what makes sense?’ And then does the total opposite.

Sadly, I think we will be sitting here in august pondering what will happen in September.

waitingforsupport said...

After 15 years of so-called no support from the union some folks have had enough. 15 years of frustration, lack of support,etc. 15 years. I get it. I may not agree but I respect your decision. I wish you luck. I know some folks who have been resilient for over 300 years. Me and many others have reached our tipping point. I am not leaving my country so I will fight to make it live up to its ideals for ALL Americans. Respect

Shelley said...

To come together we need focus and commitment to one another.
This is a simple how to make change in your union or in any other community you are a member of.

What is the problem?
Draw a list of grievances.
What are your values?
Write them out.
Unite your grievances with your values and publish or give voice to this document.
Find and assemble allies from those who have read your document or heard your document and who support your values and share, or at least support, your grievances.
Commit to action.

Call it revolutionary, or radical, or Left Wing or whatever, but this is how the United States was formed. The Deceleration does exactly what we need to do.

The problem is unity, its leadership, its weakness and corruption when bargaining for us and influencing larger labor powers, its internal strengths that prevent it from being challenged through conventional and traditional political means.

Now, the grievance list that has been floated, focused on bread and butter, is not adequate. In fact, it has a record of failure and is, in my humble opinion, counterproductive because it has no values worth the time or effort of the individuals and groups we need to form alliances with. You are not, for example, gonna get a lot of people to fight for your TDA or your Retro pay. You might win these in the end, but these don't belong on a list of grievances that will motivate your potential allies.

You've got to marry your list of grievances to your values to motivate others to support you.

This is tough but it works.

On this blog, the values are all over the lot. Focus. Find common ground. You don't need to agree on everything. In fact, that would be a weakness. Just find some common values that will motivate others to join you, marry it to your list of grievances and commit to action.



Anonymous said...

But keep paying dues?

Anonymous said...

For example, we agree Floyd should not be dead. We agree some people are racist. The uft goes on and on about racism on social media but never mentions Floyd put a loaded gun into the chest of a pregnant woman and spent 5 years in jail. That is propaganda. If you are a union rep or president, are you serving honesty?

Anonymous said...

If uft believes BLM, which they keep saying, why pick and choose? This is not being honest with members. This is misleading members. Never mention one hell of a run these past seven days in #Chicago:
Thu: 3 killed, 9 wounded
Fri: 4 killed, 12 wounded
Sat: 7 killed, 16 wounded
Sun: 18 killed, 32 wounded
Mon: 4 killed, 23 wounded
Tue: 2 killed, 28 wounded
Wed: 2 killed, 17 wounded
Total: 40 killed, 137 wounded

James Eterno said...

How does pointing out these numbers do anything to pull us together on issues in the schools we probably have common ground on?

waitingforsupport said...

Divide and conquer. Man we are in serious serious trouble. Many of the ultra rich rarely disagree. As long as their money continues to flow IN, they are comfortable with whatever. Your union and employer sent you in so that you can keep the money flowing IN. You think your fight is with BLM? We are fighting each other over "sides" "skin color" right/left. What
Are
You
Going
To
Do
When your
Union and
Employer
Tell you to
Get your
Butt back
Into the building.
Working class folks are the backbone and we are kicking and fighting one another. I'm retired so I'm not worried. The demonstrations will continue. The looters need to be locked up. What will you do about your own situation? Sit and text or demonstration?

Anonymous said...

The left and right are in complete agreement that deBlasio is a terrible mayor. Common ground, let's go there.

waitingforsupport said...

Hopefully all people are against violence looting and doing any type of harm.

Anonymous said...

We agree that the uft leadership is fucked up and not doing the job they are paid to do. That is why they are radical. How can we stop them and/or get them to focus on what the doe problems are...Grade fraud, student discipline, below inflation raises, etc...

Instead, they are posting nonsense on twitter.

Anonymous said...

Because james, we need to get rid of mulgrew, sill, arundell, barr, etc, that is what we agree on. that is why i opted out. kinda hard to unite when so many teachers are blind.

Shelley said...

As I stated I stopped paying COPE and, while I will continue to pay my dues, I am open to a movement that would include a mass opt-out.

So, no I am not opposed to opting out of dues if it unites people on values and grievances. Again, our model is our own Democratic history. The Declaration of values (All ... created equal ...Rights ...Life, Liberty ... Happiness) was married to grievances, including unjust dues or taxes.

Civil Disobedience, I need not remind anyone here, as practiced by H.D. Thoreau, who wrote "Civil Disobedience" (originally published as "Resistance to Civil Government"), refused to pay dues or taxes in support of the War on Mexico, and was briefly jailed for it.

MLK, now too often portrayed as a man of the cloth and civil rights leader was a labor organizer. He was murdered while organizing a labor strikes for pay raises and working conditions and for his position on the war on SE Asians.


Anonymous said...

I'm 39 years old, I will be resigning this coming school year. Is that a good statement?

Anonymous said...

Does the uft support bail reform? Do the members agree letting criminals out of jail, and keeping them out of jail? Is that safe for us or the students?

For more than a year ⁦Cuomo was told by many the dangers of his bail reform movement yet he did it anyway. He is solely responsible for the revolving door of violent criminals in New York City.

Anonymous said...

Shelley, how would you like to set up this mass opt out or demand for better representation?

waitingforsupport said...

@4:53 pm: bail reform yes. But like everything else folks go overboard and swing all the way to the other side. Criminals need to stay locked up. I don't want to bump into any criminal at anytime. HOWEVER because some people in authority incorporated their biases into their decision making, we all have to deal with criminals getting out. Similar to the doe discipline code. Abusive staff and admin were abusing it or were less tolerant towards brown and black. The system over corrected and now working class folk get the boot up the behind.

waitingforsupport said...

@4:14 I don't understand your point.

waitingforsupport said...

@4:11pm...racism is one thing. Floyd is one thing. We have a court system in place. Floyd served his time for that crime hence he was working and thriving. Unlike the police officer and his colleagues, Floyd wasn't a murderer. Using your logic, should those cops be killed in prison? Im trying to follow your logic.

Anonymous said...

The 414 point was that the uft loves yelling black lives matter when there is a political motive, like white cop, but says noting when blacks are getting killed by blacks daily in chicago. It is hypocritcal.

Anonymous said...

I, personally, dont think it is proper for the uft to be a democratic point of view machine. If they are so in tune with doing the most for black, how many times did they say that under trump blacks had their lowest unemployment level? The uft is dishonest, not helping the people who pay the dues and are borderline criminal.

Anonymous said...

Randi Weingarten
@rweingarten
This is unacceptable.
@USGAO
estimates 54% of public school districts need to update/replace multiple building systems in schools. If not addressed, problems can lead to poor air quality & mold, making students & educators sick.

Ok Randi, You have been in charge. Why allow it?
All the bad in the nycdoe, did the uft allow it or stop it?

Anonymous said...

W4S, Floyd was a gentle giant? Do those put a gun into the chest of pregnant women? How about mug people? How about have meth and fentanyl in their system? They have made him out to be a hero. Clearly not. Just, again, this is who people, and the uft, rally behind. If you had the gun in your chest you wouldnt be happy.

Anonymous said...

I think the problem SOME people have is that it feels like the uft is a left wing support group. Not their job, not what im paying for. And the people they back, floyd, gray, garner, king all had a million miles of arrests. We are teachers. Are those role models for students?

Anonymous said...

AL Sharpton-No thanks

Anonymous said...

Shelby Steele, Hoover Institution, he is black, read his opinions on what the problem is. These are his opinions...

He says there is no black marriage
No black fathers, 75%
Dependent on the govt
Crime rate
Stop crying racism
Poor HS grad rate
Poor college grad rate

waitingforsupport said...

@6 pm...im not going to discuss this with you. The man is dead. A murder victim. There are courts in place to resolve those matters. He was a human being with loved ones. Anyway what are your plans for September? Are you an educator?

waitingforsupport said...

At 6:09pm Yep. Gotta look beyond their crimes it's the American way.

waitingforsupport said...

@6:12 pm Al Sharpton was GREAT yesterday. Hey what are your plans for September? Did you have a prepared will as recommended?

waitingforsupport said...

@5:35. Criminals commit crime. Cops are supposed to uphold the law. I don't expect my tax dollars to pay for murdering cops. The cops took an oath to protect and serve. The criminal did not. If any cop wants to be a judge...start at graduating from law school,etc. Those murderers are where they belong JAIL. BLM.

Anonymous said...

MAGA and racist cops. No thanks.

waitingforsupport said...

Im moving on from this because we've reached a stalemate. September is a coming and the petri dish is awaiting. What are you going to do? I'm done with this discussion. It's like talking to the Donald.

Anonymous said...

The vast majority of UFT members would agree with 6:29 I do believe.

Anonymous said...

Hoover Institution. That is the one started by Herbert Hoover who turned the Depression into the Great Depression due to his policies not giving people direct relief. That's who the MAGAs quote.

Anonymous said...

That MAGA jackass will go right into school and kiss his APs butt so he can keep getting his effective observations while complaining here.

A second wave of COVID-19 will not grow his backbone.

Anonymous said...

MAGA coward won't answer the question about what he will do in the fall because he needs a spine and does not possess one.

Anonymous said...

Racist teacher here: Positively, definitely NO THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

waitingforsupport said...

@6:17pm Let's say that is accurate. I counter with many of those points can be eradicated with a challenging and quality education. Which side are you on: pass everyone or pass those who have earned it. Key words Challenging and Quality. Are you part of the solution? I want to stop crying too. We have work to do people.

Anonymous said...

Hey James – I was just wondering, since you are part of the politically correct irrational left, have you bowed down to your black lives matter Masters and apologized for slavery yet? Just asking

waitingforsupport said...

:@6:58. I know you're afraid but change is coming. It's easier if you accept it.
It's
Coming
Friend.
Be happy, your foot will get some rest.
P.s. Your master (doe and uft) had you bowing down in March and are planning a repeat in September. Are you ready?
Knock knock. Guess who? BLM

waitingforsupport said...

@6:38 and 6:43 pm; You're right.

James Eterno said...

The US House of Representatives has apologized for slavery and Jim Crow. I would've backed the resolutuon. Would you support it?

"The formal apology for slavery and Jim Crow issued by the U.S. House of Representatives in 2008 was unprecedented, even after decades of lawmakers trying to push the government to finally apologize, NPR reported at the time. In introducing the resolution, Representative Steve Cohen (D-Tenn), noted that despite the government issuing an apology for interning Japanese citizens and later pressuring Japan to apologize for forcing Chinese women to work as sex slaves during World War II, the American government had never formally recognized and apologized for slavery. While the apology was primarily symbolic, by officially recognizing its role in perpetuating the horrors of slavery and Jim Crow, the American government took a step forward in addressing and atoning for one of its greatest wrongs."

Anonymous said...

i already said Im resigning, well below retirement age, as you feed off of yourtaxpayer funded pension. who is the coward?

waitingforsupport said...

Look at the beautiful rainbow of demonstrators. America is amazing.

James Eterno said...

I don't know if you are referring to me but I earned every dime of my taxpayer funded pension with 32 years of service.

Anonymous said...

In response to grading, I passed under 10% in the previous MP, because that was what was deserved, so i guess I dont fit that narrative either. Should i now grovel on my knees because im white and you are black?

Anonymous said...

Not you james, w4s.

Anonymous said...

When mulgrew says to defund the police, ask him what neighborhood in staten island he lives in and ask if he would be willing to live in the south bronx with or without police.

Anonymous said...

You are probably a shitty teacher if less than 10% of your students could pass. An under 10% passing percentage is nothing to boast about on line whether you are white, black or green.

waitingforsupport said...

Resign already.

Anonymous said...

Confused as to what this means...

P.s. Your master (doe and uft) had you bowing down in March and are planning a repeat in September. Are you ready?
Knock knock. Guess who? BLM

waitingforsupport said...

@7:24 you should just resign. That's the best thing for everyone

Anonymous said...

So i should give fake grades or pass who deserves to pass? Cant have it both ways.

James Eterno said...

I am getting agita again looking at the comments and I didn't eat yet. See why staying on topic matters.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, students who dont even bother logging into google classroom should pass...LOL. Sorry, my standards are a bit higher.

Anonymous said...

It ain't all them. Just saying.

waitingforsupport said...

@7:24 pm You are clueless

Anonymous said...

Very soon. Thanks to the uft im stuck until i get the money that i should've had 11 years ago.

Anonymous said...

Wish we could all be unwanted atrs like w4s, sit in an office all day doing nothing. Serving students?

Anonymous said...

No, the results are the same at thomas jefferson hs and bk tech, right? why is that?

waitingforsupport said...

@7:34 what do you think? You earned a master's degree in education,right?

Anonymous said...

Gov. Cuomo signs executive order to allow in-person special education services

Ok, uft, stop it.

Anonymous said...

I work in this school.
Whose fault is this?
School website: FDNYHS.org
Grades served: 09,10,11,12,SE
Enrollment: 277
Average SAT: 821/1600
Shared space: Yes
37% college ready
32% went to college

Anonymous said...

In 2018, Pres. Trump signed into law the groundbreaking First Step Act.

This addressed the failed policies & unfair sentencing guidelines that have persisted for years.

The Act also helps inmates successfully return to society by expanding access to rehabilitative programs.

Anonymous said...

Back to topic, uft has failed, repeatedly. Opt out, send a message, you have 2 weeks left.

Anonymous said...

You can't say goodbye to your dying mother. You might kill others.
You have to let your business die. You might kill others.
You must remove your kids from school. You might kill others.
You can absolutely do the macarena with woke protesters.

Anonymous said...

NFL now woke. WaPo

We, the National Football League, admit we were wrong for not listening to NFL players earlier and encourage all to speak out and peacefully protest,” league Commissioner Roger Goodell said in a brief video released Friday. “We, the National Football League, believe Black Lives Matter.”
Former San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick began the players’ protest movement during the 2016 season by kneeling when the national anthem was played.

waitingforsupport said...

@7:42...join 7:24 in the clueless boat. When are you resigning? Don't wait. Just send an email to HR.

Anonymous said...

From a respected Caribbean American female long time chapter leader

"You Ain't black." This remark from Joe Biden on May 22, 2020 deserves a response. No I ain't black. I'm human, earthly, earthling, mortal, person, individual. It's about time we deconstruct the language of apartheid. People do not come in COLORS. People come in COMPLEXIONS. There is a single race on planet earth. HUMAN. Until all people recognize that there is no white land producing white people. There is no black land producing black people. There is no brown land producing brown people and so on. I cringe every time I hear "Black lives matter." The corona virus/Covid 19 serves as enlightenment and a rude reminder that we all share the same air. There is no black air and white air. When we suffocate each other, WE CAN'T BREATHE. Change the language/vocabulary; change the perspective. Until we comprehend our common humanity, we will be forever protesting economic, social and political inequities constructed and maintained by those who profit.

Anonymous said...

Tell uft, cnn, msnbc, omar, harris...

waitingforsupport said...

Black lives matter.

James Eterno said...

The person who put in the last comment: No calling people by name creatures. Very sad.

waitingforsupport said...

You started your post with, "Caribbean American" right? It's your identifier. Why did you say it? Why does the slogan BLM make you cringe? Saying BLM shouldn't make anyone cringe. Does saying it harm anyone? If so, how?

Anonymous said...

This was sent to a list. The person who posted it here didn't write the original. Two different people.

waitingforsupport said...

I do agree with your statement on common humanity.

Anon2323 said...

1. James appreciate your brother being a cop
2. lets defund the police in LA and hollywood and poor areas please lets do this, see how that goes for these morons
3 are CL around the city discussing matters with the UFT? CL need to step up they represent the schools and boroughs across city, this is the time they should be zooming or whatever weekly with MOnte or other UFT reps.
4. Tough bc blacks have been being killed for nothing like Brionna Taylor, Floyd was a piece of shit who did not deserve to die, cant keep happening.
5. Not going to ask germans to bow to me and others jews for the atroicities they did to my family and millions others. Like some stupid white people are doing

Anonymous said...

Yes please heed w4s. Resign and go away. No free speech and dissenting opinions in SJW America. Too much animosity back and forth. Teachers will never unite. We despise each other for differing ideologies. I'm not apologizing or bending a goddamn knee to anybody. My ancestors were busy trying not to starve to death in Europe before making it to America where they thrived because they worked and made sure their kids listened to their teachers. The left and the right will never agree. I Agree with Anon2323.... defund the police in any community that demands it. I live in a non liberal suburb. We all have guns. No riot or looting concerns here.

waitingforsupport said...

Lol... Damn You sound terrified and threatened. Who wants to go to your little house in the "non liberal suburb" and harm you? Please tell me you're not teachers in NYC but teach in your own non liberal hood. I hope you know that ANYONE can get a gun--big guns little guns,etc but that's not the answer. You sound scared of change but like it or not, change is here and it will NEVER EVER GO AWAY.NEVER. You rightfully shouldn't bend down to anyone. No one should bend for anyone. You know I AIN'T. Know this,we will either live in peace or not. REMINDER: the civil rights movement helped EVERYONE. We marched and then Everyone benefitted from OUR courage except us. We are not afraid to step up, speak up, shout out, whatever it takes to be heard. Laws will be changed. At least these demonstrators are doing something. I AM,however,curious why teachers haven't taken a page from both movements? Why didn't we see a great call out in March? Are you doing anything now besides watching and waiting for "the others" to come to your gun toting non liberal hood to get your property? What are you doing besides blogging and calling on the UFT to do something because you pay dues. All you're doing is saying "We have guns. We are ready." Nobody is thinking about you, your hood or your non liberal buddies with guns. People have more important matters to handle. You talk about living in a non liberal mountain? Sticks? Behind a gate? and that you're going to protect your property but didn't do sh#t to protect your LIFE in March. The 1% directed you into a petri dish in March because newsflash--they don't give a rats azz about you. You're only a working class tool. They only use you as the fence to try and keep out the beautifully melanin. You're dispensable to them. Continue typing and playing cowboy with your pistols. Real fighters like the courageous folks who put their lives on the line to demand a Civil rights act and who are protesting today will do the hard work. Oh,You're welcome. You just sit back and continue relishing in your mind about your imaginery superiority and belief that your skin tone is not the ONLY reason why you are treated differently. Enjoy the summer because in September you will be walking your ahem greatness right back into a possible petri dish because you're a tool for the 1%. Lol. Enjoy the carnival in your mind. You make me laugh. Gun toting non liberal. Im scared...NOT.

Anonymous said...

Waiting for Support seems to be poking fun at teachers having to go back into schools in September. Seems you have a big mouth. If you were not retired, you would be doing just that. Blah, blah, blah.



waitingforsupport said...

@10:30...the survey includes the opening of school and teachers;tell ne how i am poking fun. If I were not retired and precautions were not being followed, I know exactly how to handle that situation. You need to figure out a plan of action for yourself. The boss is planning for you right now.