tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post116290428630859231..comments2024-03-07T15:25:26.971-05:00Comments on ICEUFT Blog: Negotiating Committee Approves Virtual Extension of Giveback ContractJeff Kaufmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11728874415155394751noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-1163138181435364912006-11-10T00:56:00.000-05:002006-11-10T00:56:00.000-05:00I am starting to think that some of you really bel...I am starting to think that some of you really believe your rhetoric. Come back to the real world…please! You can disagree with the leadership and have your opinions. That’s not such a bad thing. However, be realistic and truthful, people would at least take you seriously. It seems as if your agenda is to disrupt and smear Randi’s name and reputation and not what is best for the rank and file. Do you really believe that what’s best for the membership is to vote No? Do you really believe this not only gets our members some real money in their pockets and puts us in good position for our next contract? Do you really believe all the conspiracy theories that are pasted all over this blog? <BR/><BR/>The bottom line is that this is a good deal and we have plenty of time to debate and strategize for the next one. Do yourselves and all of the membership a favor and vote Yes. Teachers do well, Functional Chapters do well, and we all win. I don’t know how you could live with the fact that you would be willing to vote No and jeopardize that finally paraprofessionals will have three pay titles over $30,000. Finally we have a chance to make some money. Let us live…please!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-1163110609947584642006-11-09T17:16:00.000-05:002006-11-09T17:16:00.000-05:00mvplab is writing after midnight and then at 9 in ...mvplab is writing after midnight and then at 9 in the morning when real teachers are teaching. I guess this is the Unity person who has a 24 hour job to monitor the ICE blog. Welcome. Hope you enjoy your double pension for this.<BR/><BR/>The same people who are urging a yes vote will be screaming about how bad it is when they have to come to school in August. They will also be left hung out to dry when their schools are closed or redesigned and they become Absent Teacher Reserves.<BR/><BR/>What a disgrace this contract extension is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-1163081473381728862006-11-09T09:11:00.000-05:002006-11-09T09:11:00.000-05:00Or was it 63 to 37 for the last contract? I think ...Or was it 63 to 37 for the last contract? I think that's right. Sorry about the reversal of digits.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-1163049969753369772006-11-09T00:26:00.000-05:002006-11-09T00:26:00.000-05:00I like numbers--was it 67 to 33 for the last contr...I like numbers--was it 67 to 33 for the last contract? What do you think the vote will be this time? If I try to be reasonable, I will probably underestimate how overwhelmingly this contract will be accepted by the rank and file.<BR/>Yessirree Bob!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-1163024698485116202006-11-08T17:24:00.000-05:002006-11-08T17:24:00.000-05:00MVPLAB is another Unity lackey, no different from ...MVPLAB is another Unity lackey, no different from any of the others who've signed the loyalty agreement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-1163000784972763702006-11-08T10:46:00.000-05:002006-11-08T10:46:00.000-05:00It seems like Klein is closing schools and redesig...It seems like Klein is closing schools and redesigning them at his own discretion. I need more info on the ATR situation. A lot of teachers really don't feel secure at all so I'm not sure what mvplab is talking about.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-1162998639673651182006-11-08T10:10:00.000-05:002006-11-08T10:10:00.000-05:00The sheep in my school already like the contract. ...The sheep in my school already like the contract. I imagine the devil is in the details or in Randi's case, lack there of. Let's wait for the MOA.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-1162996645954056322006-11-08T09:37:00.000-05:002006-11-08T09:37:00.000-05:00Yep, the tooth fairy will bring you $750 dollars u...Yep, the tooth fairy will bring you $750 dollars up front--a good faith offer for ratifying this agreement. If all goes well you'll get the money the first week of January. <BR/>This is not a personal attack on James or Jeff, but they are grasping at straws, and drowning in their own negativity. This is a good contract that secures our immediate future.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-1162985140584354102006-11-08T06:25:00.000-05:002006-11-08T06:25:00.000-05:00Yeah. The Negotiating Committee got the Contract....Yeah. The Negotiating Committee got the Contract. And tonight, the Tooth Fairy is bringing me some bucks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-1162984996705106812006-11-08T06:23:00.000-05:002006-11-08T06:23:00.000-05:00Let's take a look at all the MOA's provisions and ...Let's take a look at all the MOA's provisions and stop attacking Jeff and James. They are not the people in power.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-1162961134558467282006-11-07T23:45:00.000-05:002006-11-07T23:45:00.000-05:00The negotiating committee was so phony that some p...The negotiating committee was so phony that some people had the good sense to stop coming. That's all I have to say.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-1162960725234966242006-11-07T23:38:00.000-05:002006-11-07T23:38:00.000-05:00Why did the UFT reserve the Hilton last month? Th...Why did the UFT reserve the Hilton last month? They knew this contract was coming. The negotiating committee had no say. This was all done a while ago.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-1162960429159614732006-11-07T23:33:00.000-05:002006-11-07T23:33:00.000-05:00I was at those negotiating sessions also. Wheneve...I was at those negotiating sessions also. Whenever someone bought up making a gain, the Unity faithful would shoot it down. Why bother? It's so rigged. Vote no.<BR/><BR/>I can't believe we are doing this so soon after the last disaster. It is hell in the schools. It feels like it should be April and it's only November. How are we going to survive?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-1162960217669840642006-11-07T23:30:00.000-05:002006-11-07T23:30:00.000-05:00If you extend the pattern a few months, you get mo...If you extend the pattern a few months, you get more money. It doesn't take a genius to do that. This contract is incomplete without an agreement on health care or the ATR's. You Unity guys are just looking to sell more garbage. We could win the takebacks if we were ready for a fight. Unity never wants to fight because that would risk the empire.<BR/><BR/>The prime directive is to save the empire at all costs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-1162958137260437102006-11-07T22:55:00.000-05:002006-11-07T22:55:00.000-05:00jameseterno claimed in another post that "pattern"...jameseterno claimed in another post that "pattern" is almost guaranteed. If that is the case, how would you "get back" all of those things that you are now demanding? DC 37 didn't "get back" anything from their last contract. In fact we did better than they did in this "pattern".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-1162957911111252262006-11-07T22:51:00.000-05:002006-11-07T22:51:00.000-05:00We wouldn't get the 7% until next year because thi...We wouldn't get the 7% until next year because this contract is not up. If the detailed demands were hashed out in the negotiating committee, the DA, and the Exec. Bd. and passed each time to go forward, isn't it a little disingenuous to NOW claim "new demands" or a lack of input from the memberhip?<BR/><BR/>You guys also don't mention the utter joy of never having to negotiate with this mayor ro chancellor again. Isn't that a releif?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-1162957587517144222006-11-07T22:46:00.000-05:002006-11-07T22:46:00.000-05:00Correction:I thought ICE members were on the negot...Correction:<BR/><BR/>I thought ICE members were on the negotiating committee. Tell me you guys fought like mad through outt the negotiations.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-1162956894671032192006-11-07T22:34:00.000-05:002006-11-07T22:34:00.000-05:00I thought ICE members were on the negotiating comm...I thought ICE members were on the negotiating committee. Tell me you guys fought like mad throught the negotiations.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-1162956466776391322006-11-07T22:27:00.000-05:002006-11-07T22:27:00.000-05:00I think you are just "paranoid" - period.I think you are just "paranoid" - period.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-1162956320818267852006-11-07T22:25:00.000-05:002006-11-07T22:25:00.000-05:00The same 3 people that keep writing here must suff...The same 3 people that keep writing here must suffer from multiple personality disorder - and have a lot of time on their hands.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-1162955668704115172006-11-07T22:14:00.000-05:002006-11-07T22:14:00.000-05:00My question is why would any delegate approve a co...My question is why would any delegate approve a contract when some aspects such as health care and the ATR package have yet to be negotiated?<BR/><BR/>Would you sign with a contractor who tells you costs of materials will be calculated after the job?<BR/><BR/>This does not speak well of the delegates. Why can't Randi wait for every "i" to be dotted and "t" crossed before the DA unless we are all in for a rude awakening?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-1162954882642062092006-11-07T22:01:00.000-05:002006-11-07T22:01:00.000-05:00Why would you want an extension of the worst contr...Why would you want an extension of the worst contract ever with some more potential givebacks on health care for 7% that we don't start getting until next year? Why would anyone vote yes?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-1162953720840834172006-11-07T21:42:00.000-05:002006-11-07T21:42:00.000-05:00There's not much left to say I guess because every...There's not much left to say I guess because every argument that could be made has been made. When this makes it through the DA tomorrow, then the members will have the last say. Prediction: overwhelming acceptance of the contract and ratification. Anyone else predict something different? Anyone have a <I>convincing</I> argument why we should <I>not</I> accept this contract?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-1162949858284841012006-11-07T20:37:00.000-05:002006-11-07T20:37:00.000-05:00This truly sucks. It barely keeps up with inflati...This truly sucks. It barely keeps up with inflation and class size as well as our increased work load are a big issue. Thanks for your input.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-1162949444591053072006-11-07T20:30:00.000-05:002006-11-07T20:30:00.000-05:00It's six hours and fifty-seven and a half minutes,...It's six hours and fifty-seven and a half minutes, we wish it was six hours and twenty minutes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com