tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post8108970100967936043..comments2024-03-07T15:25:26.971-05:00Comments on ICEUFT Blog: STATE POLITICAL TIDE TURNING IN OUR FAVOR SO VOTE NO ON NYC CONTRACT THAT CONTINUES TEACHER BASHINGJeff Kaufmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11728874415155394751noreply@blogger.comBlogger65125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-35463468351107555432014-05-12T20:22:31.925-04:002014-05-12T20:22:31.925-04:00UFT elections for president are done by mail. Con...UFT elections for president are done by mail. Contract ratifications have been done in schools for decades.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-55604219665527024832014-05-12T19:26:01.349-04:002014-05-12T19:26:01.349-04:00during past ratifications, i recall being mailed m...during past ratifications, i recall being mailed my ballot by the aaa and mailing it back to them.<br />now, ballots are being sent to cls, who distribute them and retrieve them.<br />why is this?anonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05628095375280649745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-83600517566934909302014-05-12T17:03:53.176-04:002014-05-12T17:03:53.176-04:00I went to the delegate assembly last week. What a ...<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />I went to the delegate assembly last week. What a @#%^& sham job that was.....It reminded me of the Nazi rallies during the 1930s.....the only person missing was Joeseph Goebels. The delegates dutifully clapped and praised Mulgrew when he had the chutzpa to say that he is "improving the ATR process by removing ATRs for behavior inconsistent with expectation established for professionals"...when asked what that meant, he said the UFT is "working on it", but "ATRs will get better 3020A hearings under the proposed contract" because instead of waiting around, they would get accused, tried, and fired within a couple of weeks. No waiting around! This special treatment is not being offered to the appointed rank and file.....just the 3,000 ATRs.<br /><br />As well, a couple of years ago, Amy Arundle told a group of hundreds of ATRs that we were "lucky to have jobs"....after 20 yrs of teaching "effectively", I'm lucky to have a job? Thanks a bunch..<br /><br />Get rid of this guy, get rid of Unity, they , like Randi, are on the take from the education reformers.<br /><br />VOTE NO for the contract that doesn't keep up with inflation.<br /><br />VOTE NO for the contract that will destroy the ATR.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-8072324853014282372014-05-12T17:01:24.772-04:002014-05-12T17:01:24.772-04:00I'm tired of subpar deals. Just vote no.I'm tired of subpar deals. Just vote no.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-42842614246098092952014-05-12T06:04:47.514-04:002014-05-12T06:04:47.514-04:00To 6:00am, it's not a coward that takes a good...To 6:00am, it's not a coward that takes a good deal, it's a wise person. If you want to instruct others that it's okay to gamble money and their families welfare, then that's not being brave it's being irresponsible.<br />BTW- I wonder what kind of a deal you would have struck if you were behind the negotiating desk? I bet we wouldn't see any retro, much less money and fewer protections. That is of course if the city didn't just walk away and move on to the next union up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-91587162138079192762014-05-12T05:51:12.746-04:002014-05-12T05:51:12.746-04:00VOTE YES!
-Or, wait around for the next "Bloo...VOTE YES!<br />-Or, wait around for the next "Bloomberg" to become mayor. Eva? Maybe you'll be happier with the contract offerings then?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-32195711125839953072014-05-12T05:16:50.646-04:002014-05-12T05:16:50.646-04:00We will all regret any yes vote when we return to ...We will all regret any yes vote when we return to school and find nothing has changed and everyone sees how little money they have. The bonus payments are one shots that will not be pensionable in the year we are given them and should have been earning interest for us since 2009. This is quite possibly the worst contract ever. Vote no and send Mulgrew back.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-37672225476957863962014-05-12T04:54:05.663-04:002014-05-12T04:54:05.663-04:00"We won't do better." is a coward&#..."We won't do better." is a coward's line. Voting yes is the surest way to "not do better". I am voting NO!Roseanne McCosh, PS 8XAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-47598941776235979942014-05-12T00:05:43.460-04:002014-05-12T00:05:43.460-04:00Anonymous 10:14 --
I hope you realize that the sa...Anonymous 10:14 --<br /><br />I hope you realize that the salary chart that I posted is a hypothetical "wish list" reflecting a 4% annual salary increase.<br /><br />It is not what the City is offering.<br /><br />The City is offering a pittance considering inflation and the likelihood of an increase in the cost of health insurance.<br /><br />But just compare the City's offer with what top-paid teachers are earning in Great Neck.<br /><br />The requirement for unpaid evening conferences should have been eliminated long ago, and they should be paid at the per session rate.<br /><br />I didn't notice any respect being shown in the Memorandum of Agreement.<br /><br />So, .5% of UFT members are cited for misconduct or incompetence by at least one CSA member?<br /><br />Where does that figure come from?<br /><br />You ought to check out the figures being reported by members working in the "administrator from hell" schools.<br /><br />I say, "<b><i>VOTE NO!!!</i></b>"Lindanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-15301364170881944552014-05-11T22:51:13.704-04:002014-05-11T22:51:13.704-04:00VOTE NO. Randy created the ATR mess and now Mulgre...VOTE NO. Randy created the ATR mess and now Mulgrew is selling us out. Think of your union brothers and sisters and not your wallet.<br />You could become an ATR and be in a school with a principal who could write you up as problematic and then you will wish you voted NO. <br />Most of the people who write to vote yes are working for the UFT and monitor these blogs and write statements that are pro unity.<br />Mulgrew is probably the most inarticulate union president in recent years and trying to further his career either in politics or becoming the president of the AFT.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-69670678311436192872014-05-11T22:14:35.067-04:002014-05-11T22:14:35.067-04:00Linda:
149,000 and you want to jerk the city aroun...Linda:<br />149,000 and you want to jerk the city around about a couple of hours a year to meet with parents. You do realize that the Union does not bargain with itself. There people siting on the other side of the table. We always want more. We need to reach agreement at the end of the day. We need the money, we get more respect and despite all the talk ATRs will need to get cited by two Principals. About 99.5% of us never get cited by even one. Getting writes up by two will be rare and even then they will still be an Arbitrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-76134800085262879832014-05-11T20:47:10.920-04:002014-05-11T20:47:10.920-04:00the last post is a horrible example of rumor-- a s...the last post is a horrible example of rumor-- a sex scandal post!-- give us a break. Focus on the facts, but B-S<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-16475537408441013842014-05-11T20:28:56.161-04:002014-05-11T20:28:56.161-04:00Since there are a smaller number of senior teacher...Since there are a smaller number of senior teachers as UFT members, guess who Mulgrew decided to shaft? That's right, those at the twilight of their careers. Well, this may be could strategy to get this dog of a contract passed, but what does that say about his integrity? <br />And btw- speaking of integrity, I wonder how many UFT members are aware of the sex scandal involving Mulgrew at William Grady HS back in 2005.There are many who believe that he accepted being made into a eunuch by Bloomberg in order to keep this quiet. This guy is a lowlife and unqualified to lead the teachers of NYC.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-75274628043844216812014-05-11T20:15:32.039-04:002014-05-11T20:15:32.039-04:00I truly do not feel that we are settling for less ...I truly do not feel that we are settling for less then they are, or will be. I believe that over all, this is a fair deal. I do not think we could have done that much better. We weren't in the negotiating room. <br />Every union has a different set of wants and needs. We do and they all do too. It's hard to know what they will or will not accept, or what the City will eventually accept. What we do know is that our team negotiated and agreed upon a contract. That contract was approved by the Executive Board, the Delegates of the union, and also a sign off from the municipal unions as a whole (which will affect them too). Would I want 8% now. Sure! But, you know what-- the school year remains unchanged, the school day remains the same, in time. We are getting full retro, and 19.5% compounded money between now through 2018. Top salary going to nearly $120,000. I consider this to be a good contract and will vote for it and will recommend others to vote for it too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-32272581017945101792014-05-11T19:47:54.882-04:002014-05-11T19:47:54.882-04:00No contract is better then a bad contract. Why sho...No contract is better then a bad contract. Why should we settle for less then cops firemen sanitation?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-53418816932816959992014-05-11T19:01:02.809-04:002014-05-11T19:01:02.809-04:00f you vote no what then do you want to do? Our las...f you vote no what then do you want to do? Our last contract expired October, 2009. The bargaining table has just closed. It will not re-open (if it does) until after the other 150 unions negotiate their raises and packages. Guess when that might be... 2016, 7, 8? What will we ask for then? How will the ATR situation be resolved at that time? If we do not sign a contract the ATR pool may grow and grow. Danielson will not change. Had fun this year? Paperwork will increase. No oversight. Will we (the union) demand retro from 2009-2018 to be payable in 2030? Would we even have one leg to stand on to be "entitled" to that? And, why might you think De Blasio will even come back to bargain a new contract? We've worked without a contract for five years, let's make it eight years, ten years...? We can not legally strike. Do you want a strike? If yes, what are you willing to call a strike for? More money? More rights? Better healthcare? Less paperwork? A career path? ATR's are currently being hired in schools across the five boroughs, and their salaries are coming out of central, not the individual schools budget. If you think that by turning down this proposed contract is a great idea, think seriously about what the next steps might be-- like a chess game. If you vote no as your move now, then what might the cities next move be? Oh right, they are committed to playing 150 other games first.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-65636533054646460532014-05-11T18:59:08.412-04:002014-05-11T18:59:08.412-04:00Sure! We can do better and we will! Let's kill...Sure! We can do better and we will! Let's kill this contract! And hey, if we don't like the next one let's kill that one too! Wait!! I got a great idea! Let's see how long we can go without a contract! Five years was no sweat... Let's try eight!, ten!, WHO KNOWS!!! THIS IS GONNA BE GREAT!! <br />Who needs food anyway.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-6080349858081330922014-05-11T18:18:39.728-04:002014-05-11T18:18:39.728-04:00The proposed salary schedule is unsatisfactory, bo...The proposed salary schedule is unsatisfactory, both in amount and timing, in view of the fact that the inflation rate has been approximately 2.2% yearly.<br /><br />A more appropriate salary increase would be 4% yearly for the life of the contract.<br /><br />The first increase should cover the period from 11/1/09 to 10/31/10, the second from 11/1/10 to 10/31/11, etc.<br /><br />Here's what it would look like for a teacher at the intersection of row 8B+L22 and column C6+PD, who is currently earning $100,049.<br /><br />11/1/09 ... $104,051<br /><br />11/1/10 ... $108,213<br /><br />11/1/11 ... $112,542<br /><br />11/1/12 ... $117,044<br /><br />11/1/13 ... $121,726<br /><br />11/1/14 ... $126,595<br /><br />11/1/15 ... $131,659<br /><br />11/1/16 ... $136,925<br /><br />11/1/17 ... $142,402<br /><br />11/1/18 ... $148,098<br /><br />If anyone thinks that the above is out of line, look at viewer page 109 of the following to see how the teachers in Great Neck are doing:<br /><br />www.bbp-action.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Great-Neck-Teachers-Contract.pdf<br /><br /><b>In addition, to a vastly improved salary schedule, it would be good to put the following matters on the bargaining table:<br /><br />No additional evening conferences.<br /><br />No forced placements for ATRs.<br /><br />No separate disciplinary procedures for ATRs.<br /><br />No merit pay or disguised merit pay.<br /><br />Restoration of grievances for observation reports and disciplinary letters based on unfair or inaccurate content.<br /><br />Lower the class sizes and strictly adhere to the contractual limits.<br /><br />Reestablish the large high schools.<br /><br />End co-locations.<br /><br />Discourage the formation of new charter schools.<br /><br />And what else?</b>Lindanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-30308725948917062172014-05-11T16:48:37.039-04:002014-05-11T16:48:37.039-04:00Sure, let's wait longer. Money BTW starts to ...Sure, let's wait longer. Money BTW starts to come in by this June 2% plus effectively another 1%=3% (some math..).<br />But, let's wait a little longer. Oh, one more thing, more money will come in every year for the next six years with this contract. totaling 19.5% (plus retro). A loan to the city, perhaps. But, that's what bargaining is. Retro,, will average around 25k for most, double for some.<br />But, sure let's wait a little longer to do better. How about a wait of four more years to see who is in office then. "Oh,, De Blasio it's you again! So nice to see you. Remember us, we turned you down b4." Action take (DOOR SLAM) <br />OR-- Option 'B', "Oh, it's you, Eva!! So, nice to meet you!" Action take (DOOR SLAM).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-11862675130590926202014-05-11T15:21:45.699-04:002014-05-11T15:21:45.699-04:00Are you kidding? We are making an interest free lo...Are you kidding? We are making an interest free loan to the city. We are not getting money back for up to 11 years. Meanwhile, conditions in schools get worse. VOTE NO! Fix this mess. We have waited this long. We can wait a little longer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-72845169306907052282014-05-11T15:14:24.527-04:002014-05-11T15:14:24.527-04:00It was Bloomberg that didn't give us the 8% ra...It was Bloomberg that didn't give us the 8% raise over two years, not De Blasio. De Blasio is giving all the money to us, including compounded money. With the raise, it's an effective 19.5% raise! Do you really want to risk that?<br />We are not giving back anything in this contract. The ATR pool (created under Bloomberg) is disappearing. Under De Blasio, the remanning folks in the pool are now actively finding jobs. And, there is a severance package for some who are now of age and wish to retire. Also, unlike Bloomberg, De Blaiso does not have a sick wish to close schools. Closing schools fed the ATR pool. Without closing schools, there will be fewer teachers having to look for a school. De Blasio (the first democrat mayor in 21 years) has offered us a good contract. VOTE YES TO THE CONTRACT!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-50935664592850430002014-05-11T13:44:11.716-04:002014-05-11T13:44:11.716-04:00It makes sense that de Blasio will make us wait fo...It makes sense that de Blasio will make us wait for 150 other unions. First he needs to find one to take the pattern, the lowest pattern in history. Then he needs to find one that, for that price, will accept givebacks equivalent to the two-tier due process we're offering ATR teachers.<br /><br />Maybe he can find union leaders with even lower standards than ours, but he'll have to look pretty hard. After all, everyone but us already got an 8% raise, a real one that they didn't need to wait eight years for.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-56970675518580786292014-05-11T13:27:29.276-04:002014-05-11T13:27:29.276-04:00Voting yes to this will ensure you work in an envi...Voting yes to this will ensure you work in an environment of fear and high anxiety. Later in your years, when you climb the pay scale, you will feel like a financial burden.If you dare be vocal and speak out against certain policies of your school principal, you may just find your self in the ATR cesspool on your way to a 3020a hearing. This contract further erodes tenure to the point that we don't even need a union anymore. Lets throw this unqualified degenerate Mulgrew out on the street to work for a living. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-24060640469265844232014-05-11T08:28:53.139-04:002014-05-11T08:28:53.139-04:00corrected typo--United Federation of Teachers went...corrected typo--United Federation of Teachers went first.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-55383239245795257242014-05-11T08:27:17.111-04:002014-05-11T08:27:17.111-04:00The PBA is not going first. The Union of Professi...The PBA is not going first. The Union of Professional Teachers went first. If we turn this contract down we will have to wait for the 150 other unions to "bargain" and settle. How long do you think that might be? Two years, four years, longer..? Do you think at that time De Blasio will feel any pressure at all to give us more money then is on the table today? Or, anything sweeter?<br />Don't think so. Vote yes, now. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com