tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post8206431990868898459..comments2024-03-07T15:25:26.971-05:00Comments on ICEUFT Blog: MULGREW MANGLES DEMOCRACY BEYOND RECOGNITION AT DA AS CONTRACT IS SENT TO MEMBERSHIPJeff Kaufmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11728874415155394751noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-33143884849804950482014-05-26T16:21:34.573-04:002014-05-26T16:21:34.573-04:00I don't believe it, that's why I wrote it!...I don't believe it, that's why I wrote it!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-86929810701821887172014-05-24T11:43:47.306-04:002014-05-24T11:43:47.306-04:00If you believe that, we have a bridge to sell you ...If you believe that, we have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-72477812862069240602014-05-24T09:15:39.792-04:002014-05-24T09:15:39.792-04:00Pepper found over $3 billion in savings and nothin...Pepper found over $3 billion in savings and nothing will change!!! That's a miracle in itself and I for one would like to know where that fat came from.<br />If he can do that, Obama should hire him to work on the National Debt!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-48789648637373340262014-05-12T17:04:24.968-04:002014-05-12T17:04:24.968-04:00I went to the delegate assembly last week. What a ...<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />I went to the delegate assembly last week. What a @#%^& sham job that was.....It reminded me of the Nazi rallies during the 1930s.....the only person missing was Joeseph Goebels. The delegates dutifully clapped and praised Mulgrew when he had the chutzpa to say that he is "improving the ATR process by removing ATRs for behavior inconsistent with expectation established for professionals"...when asked what that meant, he said the UFT is "working on it", but "ATRs will get better 3020A hearings under the proposed contract" because instead of waiting around, they would get accused, tried, and fired within a couple of weeks. No waiting around! This special treatment is not being offered to the appointed rank and file.....just the 3,000 ATRs.<br /><br />As well, a couple of years ago, Amy Arundle told a group of hundreds of ATRs that we were "lucky to have jobs"....after 20 yrs of teaching "effectively", I'm lucky to have a job? Thanks a bunch..<br /><br />Get rid of this guy, get rid of Unity, they , like Randi, are on the take from the education reformers.<br /><br />VOTE NO for the contract that doesn't keep up with inflation.<br /><br />VOTE NO for the contract that will destroy the ATR.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-24057722798832242132014-05-11T12:15:55.628-04:002014-05-11T12:15:55.628-04:00Great rundown, James.
And hear, hear for Marjori...Great rundown, James. <br /><br />And hear, hear for Marjorie Stamberg! She indeed deserves a big shout out. She makes clear, courageous, relevant points every time she expresses herself on the issues and is a great advocate for the terribly mistreated ATRs. <br /><br />I think the merit pay and PROSE (non union rule schools) proposals are horrendous. The evaluation issue -- paring down Danielson points -- is just the sort of inadequate tweaking to an unworkable, awful eval system we are allowed when the horse is out of the barn, ie, when your union leader helped vote VAM into law. Also, I bet the money can be "found" to make the retro payments fair. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-62507400992455550092014-05-10T08:35:49.439-04:002014-05-10T08:35:49.439-04:00Disagreeing with leadership is does not destroy a ...Disagreeing with leadership is does not destroy a union. Contracts that give schools the ability to get rid of protections that your union fought for in the past well that might. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-61914723086824438672014-05-10T08:15:27.811-04:002014-05-10T08:15:27.811-04:00What about in the 90s when the DA voted something ...What about in the 90s when the DA voted something down and we got a better deal. Do some of you people even bother to read the posts?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-45037724339184148372014-05-10T02:31:27.283-04:002014-05-10T02:31:27.283-04:00Whether you agree with the contract or not or agre...Whether you agree with the contract or not or agree with the way the meeting was conducted or not the most important part of the meeting was accomplished, which was letting the members decide for themselves if they want this contract. Frankly, I'm appalled that any voting member of the DA would have tried to prevent this. It is important to remember that we represent members but we are not the entire membership. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-55744662344451700192014-05-10T00:39:36.542-04:002014-05-10T00:39:36.542-04:00Mary- I respect your view but time after time when...Mary- I respect your view but time after time when I try to speak and listen to other dissenters, we usually don't get to say more than two or three words before our president rudely interrupts. It is a matter of the rules of debate. People like Marjorie and I aren't going to just take it. I know a Bronx cheer when I hear one. That was not a Bronx cheer when I left the mic. That was spirited applause. The President is supposed to be a neutral chair but as soon as I mentioned the pattern being the lowest municipal pattern since I've been around, the President said I was wrong. That is completely out of order and he was challenged. When people disagree with me at chapter meetings, I don't try to stop them or interrupt them. I think I did once and then quickly apologized. It is their right to speak. Robert's Rules says someone can go for up to ten minutes. I only would have needed a couple of minutes to say what I did in this post. A chair needs to set an example. Our president does not. I will call him on it. Even Unity people know full well that I am right and tell me privately. I have tried being polite. I have tried working it out quietly behind the scenes. I have sent emails to leadership and I have made phone calls to leadership on this issue. They tell me it will be better and it never is. What else am I supposed to do? I make no apology for standing up for democracy. James Eternohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578647381229034792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-11673944840603033622014-05-09T22:56:23.896-04:002014-05-09T22:56:23.896-04:00James Eterno. From what I hear you're a very ...James Eterno. From what I hear you're a very bright man and I wanted to hear what you had to say, but you cannot put all of the blame for the interaction between you and Mulgrew on Mulgrew. You may have had some good points but you didn't put them forth in a very civil way. You seemed very combative, almost as if you were going to explode. I know because I was sitting right next to the microphone and at one point I even whispered to you to "calm down". I wanted to hear what you had to say but I began to feel uncomfortable with how things were going. I understand you're not happy with what you and others perceive as a lack of democracy at the DA, and I can't say I disagree with that. I'm only a Chapter Leader but I am going to make it my mission to help with that cause in the next year. Personally I like to hear what others have to say and I don't like such strict limits on dissenting opinions. I also think it's unfair to vote to limit the time for questions or debate without giving any specific time constraints. I want the DA to be run so that it's fair to all. BUT.... I do not want in anyway to be a party to destroying my Union. When you were given an opportunity to speak you seemed more concerned with "fighting with Mulgrew" about Robert's Rules than you were about expressing your opinion on the contract. Sorry to say that I don't think most of the applause you heard when you stopped speaking was because people agreed with you, I think they were applauding because you were done. I didn't applaud but honestly, I felt relieved.<br /><br />MaryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-6459447134853197692014-05-09T10:06:29.895-04:002014-05-09T10:06:29.895-04:00I have 5 concerns.
1. The money as stated is a lou...I have 5 concerns.<br />1. The money as stated is a lousy payout. We are waitning 11 years for money we have earned. We are accepting raises not based on what should be our new base. We receive no interest for our loan to the city.<br /><br />2. ATRs- We are a union of solidarity. We do not put our members in a position in which they will have an 'expidited' hearing for being fired.<br /><br />3. Since the city is not willing to pay more to the teachers when they provide training, students' instructional time is being reduced by 150 minutes/week. We teachers are evaluated based on students achievement. This reduction in class time makes it so much harder.<br /><br />4. I believe that HS science teachers will not be able to meet the state's minimum requirement of 180 minutes of instructional time plus one period for lab each week. It is difficult enough to cover the material without having more time taken away.<br /><br />5. Regarding the schools for innovation, PROSE. Instead of paying the teachers for the extra time they are willing work in order to implement a new model for success, which, by the way, is what charter schools are supposed to be doing, the UFT has negotiated that the teachers should pay for all new innovations.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-25026782548729492014-05-09T06:01:06.597-04:002014-05-09T06:01:06.597-04:00James, Just a shout-out for the stunning courage a...James, Just a shout-out for the stunning courage and wisdom of Marjorie Stamberg, the first speaker to speak in opposition to this shameful betrayal they call a " contract",who will NOT bow down to Mulgrew's sarcasm, bullying, and "its good to be the King" demeanor; neither will she putter out with the Unity mob hissing and booing like morons, simply because she opposes Der Furher's iron will. Though many lefties will disagree with her brand of Socialism, she calls a spade a spade every time she gets the mic, and makes the case for class struggle irrefutable. Martin Habernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-83899532345106771032014-05-08T19:33:00.502-04:002014-05-08T19:33:00.502-04:00Just remember the DA would vote to allow ham sandw...Just remember the DA would vote to allow ham sandwiches to teach if Mulgrew told them to. They are like Grand Juries Smiling face with open mouth and smiling eyes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-68131251662036228212014-05-08T19:12:05.407-04:002014-05-08T19:12:05.407-04:00No contract is better then a bad contractNo contract is better then a bad contractAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-32768142013651615392014-05-08T18:29:31.854-04:002014-05-08T18:29:31.854-04:00Let the past be your guide. With a so called prog...Let the past be your guide. With a so called progressive mayor, he will have to do better. We might not do much better financially but non financial take-backs like placing the ATRs are a must. We have the power. Let's use it instead of just being sheep.<br />James Eternohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578647381229034792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-69872965448318093142014-05-08T18:05:37.887-04:002014-05-08T18:05:37.887-04:00B-Nice they will have to renegotiate after that. ...B-Nice they will have to renegotiate after that. It may take time but can't be worse than the time that has already passed (and the contract cannot get any worse than this one). Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-56332786428187943842014-05-08T14:42:52.226-04:002014-05-08T14:42:52.226-04:00I am willing to concede each and every one of your...I am willing to concede each and every one of your points but then I have only one question, after we vote NO, then what? Please don't tell me that I should vote no without telling me what the strategy is after that point. B-Nicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05984053033025407930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-5919512661424353532014-05-08T14:24:46.539-04:002014-05-08T14:24:46.539-04:00Also, it says "IN SERVICE" members will ...Also, it says "IN SERVICE" members will get retro. In service at time of payment or in service this year? If I choose to quit 6 months from now, I should get retro since work was already done<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-15256782607846983022014-05-08T14:07:42.795-04:002014-05-08T14:07:42.795-04:00Per UFT website, If you retire after June 30, 2014...Per UFT website, If you retire after June 30, 2014, your lump sum will be given to you like all the active teachers. 2015 until eternity. Go read it for yourself. I voted no in 2009 and saw those who voted yes complain until the day I retired last year. This contract makes that one look good. We got more money and right away. ATRs also had protection.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-23271977998170352032014-05-08T12:15:05.099-04:002014-05-08T12:15:05.099-04:00How can we agree in a contract that goes as far as...How can we agree in a contract that goes as far as 2020, when at that time we are suppose to have a different mayor, Mulgrew all ready promise something to Deblasio // shame on MulgrewAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-31749370925148018192014-05-08T12:08:33.907-04:002014-05-08T12:08:33.907-04:00The city loves this deal and they win big. Experts...The city loves this deal and they win big. Experts are predicting a rising interest rate environment over the next decade. That alone will allow the city to make enough on the interest of our deferred salaries to fund this dog of a contract. Couple that with rising inflation, which is also being forecast, and the UFT membership would be making a huge mistake to accept this. The worst part of this is that this was crafted by our own union president, Michael "Brutus" MulgrewAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-20467774076819151372014-05-08T11:13:09.920-04:002014-05-08T11:13:09.920-04:00Mulgrew is a creep. How can we trust a union head...Mulgrew is a creep. How can we trust a union head that's on the board of trustees for New Visions? I mean, I knew I couldn't trust him before finding that out but seriously?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-76156054349553138502014-05-08T10:53:40.124-04:002014-05-08T10:53:40.124-04:00A question for anyone who attended the DA meeting ...A question for anyone who attended the DA meeting last night:<br /><br />Did Mulgrew mention the lump sum retro payment for those who retire after July 1, 2014?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-42111799472218676132014-05-08T09:50:52.428-04:002014-05-08T09:50:52.428-04:00Oh James, I am a recent retiree also but you are t...Oh James, I am a recent retiree also but you are talking in this blog about a sad situation for anyone who has ever called themselves a NYC teacher. You are writing about fighting for all of us and everyone is asking you about money. My heart goes out to you. Sure, I would like the money but sometimes standing up is more important. I have convinced many active teachers to vote No. You have my support. My best to you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-39993393263677019312014-05-08T09:29:55.676-04:002014-05-08T09:29:55.676-04:00Also, it says "IN SERVICE" members will ...Also, it says "IN SERVICE" members will get retro. In service at time of payment or in service this year? If I choose to quit 6 months from now, I should get retro since work was already done. AXCnoreply@blogger.com