tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post8588252912882530291..comments2024-03-07T15:25:26.971-05:00Comments on ICEUFT Blog: DA REPORT: ONE BIG YAWN OF A RANDI LED FILIBUSTERJeff Kaufmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11728874415155394751noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-11223048746055674912008-03-21T21:00:00.000-04:002008-03-21T21:00:00.000-04:00Unless we what? Wake up and start a real union. ...Unless we what? Wake up and start a real union. Wouldn't that be nice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-82557210087784852102008-03-21T20:03:00.000-04:002008-03-21T20:03:00.000-04:001. Yes, the delegates don't show up! What is Unit...1. Yes, the delegates don't show up! What is Unity's response regarding this show of apathy? <BR/><BR/>2. Randi and the AFT...Hmmm...Yes, she will leave in 2010, which will give her heir two years of free press coverage in the Unity/New York Teacher paper before the next election. This will be more than enough to secure the next generation of Unity power.<BR/><BR/>UNLESS...we...(anyone care to finish this?)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-11203914308174150392008-03-15T22:49:00.000-04:002008-03-15T22:49:00.000-04:00Where the hell are all of you guys on the MArch 19...Where the hell are all of you guys on the MArch 19 Rally? "We support it" doesn't mean squat! How many people are you brining out, James?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-14257181950645563552008-03-13T18:38:00.000-04:002008-03-13T18:38:00.000-04:00There are a lot of people figuring out that 55-25 ...There are a lot of people figuring out that 55-25 doesn't help them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-10903612018431348202008-03-12T22:47:00.000-04:002008-03-12T22:47:00.000-04:00ICE has been right all along on 55-25/55-27.ICE has been right all along on 55-25/55-27.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-13544734548117656062008-03-12T22:41:00.000-04:002008-03-12T22:41:00.000-04:00ICE printed 55-27. Unity blew up one obvious misp...ICE printed 55-27. Unity blew up one obvious misprint among many correct characterizations to mislead people. Typical.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-42814686475839168132008-03-12T21:21:00.000-04:002008-03-12T21:21:00.000-04:00James,I apologize for thinking this new plan was a...James,<BR/><BR/>I apologize for thinking this new plan was a way out.<BR/><BR/>My friend had a pension consult and only those teachers who are in the 25 year range at age 55 now will benefit. Many teachers in their 50's who started later in life would therefore not benefit from this new deal since they would have to work @10 more years to reach 25 years of service in order to get full pension. My friend is 52 and thought she would qualify when 55 with a reduced that she would contribute to.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-48907246182814777232008-03-12T19:57:00.000-04:002008-03-12T19:57:00.000-04:00But it was clearly posted here as 57-25, can't the...But it was clearly posted here as 57-25, can't the ICE people write?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-49971959804071803152008-03-10T23:01:00.000-04:002008-03-10T23:01:00.000-04:00It's clearly 55-27, can't the Unity people read.It's clearly 55-27, can't the Unity people read.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-54464448655792814522008-03-10T23:00:00.000-04:002008-03-10T23:00:00.000-04:00Delegates I know stopped going years ago as the DA...Delegates I know stopped going years ago as the DA is a waste of time. This report explains it all: a cult of personality does not make a union.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-43194435665203767522008-03-09T21:04:00.000-04:002008-03-09T21:04:00.000-04:00It's been changed. It's 55-27 and there was an ap...It's been changed. It's 55-27 and there was an apology for the misprint.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-1115601292505266562008-03-09T20:01:00.000-04:002008-03-09T20:01:00.000-04:00If it's not 57-25 maybe you guys should change the...If it's not 57-25 maybe you guys should change the initial blog post. You are confusing people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-83603358858952759752008-03-09T19:55:00.000-04:002008-03-09T19:55:00.000-04:00ICE has been reporting on 55-27 for months and peo...ICE has been reporting on 55-27 for months and people have been commenting.<BR/><BR/>Just a Cog said... <BR/>Of course, the city will save much more than that. After the current crop of senior teachers reaches 55 (which includes me, assuming I can safely get through the next 8 years), who is ever going to make it to 25/55? Half of new teachers leave within five years, so their 1.85% pay cut is permanent. Of the rest, how many will be harassed or abused out of service as they approach retirement age?<BR/><BR/>With budget cuts always looming and senior teachers now a millstone around the neck of principals who have to choose between salaries and supplies, I seriously doubt that many teachers will make it to ten years longevity, let alone 27.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-31425715398052137842008-03-09T19:42:00.000-04:002008-03-09T19:42:00.000-04:00Mr. NYC Educator do you know that if Randi is in D...Mr. NYC Educator do you know that if Randi is in DC half the time, she won't be able to give so much away while she's down there. The NEA is at least a check on the AFT and she can't control them. It's when she's in NYC and goes into negotiations that we have to look out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-61808259712827998092008-03-09T19:36:00.000-04:002008-03-09T19:36:00.000-04:0055-27 for new people. It's clear from all of the c...55-27 for new people. It's clear from all of the clarification today.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-71974950186351776352008-03-09T18:28:00.000-04:002008-03-09T18:28:00.000-04:00Wait, is it 57/25 or 55/27? You guys are confusin...Wait, is it 57/25 or 55/27? You guys are confusing me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-5408982281541014702008-03-09T18:20:00.000-04:002008-03-09T18:20:00.000-04:00It's very telling that Ms. Weingarten regards the ...It's very telling that Ms. Weingarten regards the UFT Presidency as a part-time job.NYC Educatorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12188066345722781723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-77655047681259825842008-03-09T17:53:00.000-04:002008-03-09T17:53:00.000-04:00We kind of figured you didn't mean Hillary and Oba...We kind of figured you didn't mean Hillary and Obama.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-77076478847398568672008-03-09T17:46:00.000-04:002008-03-09T17:46:00.000-04:00Sorry about the clarification, but I meant the uni...Sorry about the clarification, but I meant the union election.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-67769071678363563222008-03-09T16:52:00.000-04:002008-03-09T16:52:00.000-04:00I agree with you on mayoral control but I'm not su...I agree with you on mayoral control but I'm not sure about what you are saying on the election.<BR/><BR/>The petition is an interesting idea. <BR/><BR/>I oppose mayoral control and have taken that position for a long time. I voted no on the UFT report at the Executive Board in 2001 (I think it was 2001) where the UFT first endorsed the Mayor having a majority of the appointments on the Board of Ed. <BR/><BR/>I couldn't agree more that mayoral control is a huge issue.<BR/><BR/>We need to be much better organized and have people in many, many more places to win a UFT election. That will take a great deal of hard work and lots and lots of money.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>James EternoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-74967476184649796522008-03-09T16:33:00.000-04:002008-03-09T16:33:00.000-04:00Okay, so you site the contract.Hello!!! What cont...Okay, so you site the contract.<BR/><BR/>Hello!!! What contract? (or what's left of it?)<BR/><BR/>I am just saying that this deal cannot be reversed, but mayoral contol can become the thing of the past. I feel that Randi will support some type of control and that is unacceptable. <BR/><BR/>I just wish (once again) that you don't fall into the same mistakes that cost you the election. I don't hear any outcry from the rank and file on the pension issue, but I bet if we could get petitions out to Randi against any form of mayoral control, that would hit home.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-53339391331794558002008-03-09T16:01:00.000-04:002008-03-09T16:01:00.000-04:00The last comment and this one as well are from Jam...The last comment and this one as well are from James Eterno again but I tried my name and once again it didn't work. <BR/><BR/>No I don't think it's a Unity conspiracy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-39523323900417708402008-03-09T15:59:00.000-04:002008-03-09T15:59:00.000-04:00We agree with what you are saying on mayoral contr...We agree with what you are saying on mayoral control but 55-25/55-27 is a current issue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-1814884384717008122008-03-09T15:57:00.000-04:002008-03-09T15:57:00.000-04:0055-27 is what the deal is for the unborn. That is...55-27 is what the deal is for the unborn. <BR/><BR/>That is how the city makes the money and it is not what was called for in the giveback laden 2005 Contract. The other way (we won't even write it) was a misprint in a small section of the blog piece that we apologize for and have fixed (the other parts had it right). <BR/><BR/>It's amazing that the Unity gang focused on the misprint that they knew was a misprint and tried to criticize us for it when the 55-27 deal for those not yet hired was printed and explained correctly in most of the piece. <BR/><BR/>Also, we know many people who will gain from 55-25, and although we are not giving pension advice, they should buy in. (People should seek pension advice from qualified financial planners.) Many of us, however, will not gain anything from 55-25 and it won't cost us anything either. We don't lose or win. <BR/><BR/>In addition, it is not a smear tactic to tell the good and the bad aspects of the deal. The UFT didn't agree to a 55-25 deal for ages and they told us one of the reasons was they refuse to sell out the unborn which is basically what happened in the final 55-27 deal for those yet to be hired.<BR/><BR/>It's a benefit few will be entitled to that all will have to pay more for. We think it is a fact that should be pointed out, regardless of the conditions in the country. <BR/><BR/>It is our understanding that a key issue in the transit workers 2005 strike was not increasing pension costs for workers yet to be hired. <BR/><BR/>Look at what Article 4C1 of the UFT Contract says: "A Labor-Management Pension Committee will be established to investigate legislation allowing all current and future members of the TRS Tier II, III and IV to retire without a reduction of benefits due to early retirement upon age 55 with at least 25 years of service, as well as other relevant pension issues." Current and future members were supposed to get the same benefit according to the Contract. That's not what happened in the final 55-27 legislation. Those yet to be hired pay 1.85% more in pension contributions for 27 years and only a minority will receive a better benefit. <BR/><BR/>As for the lack of democracy at DA meetings, we will be writing on that in an upcoming piece as independent and opposition delegates are getting frustrated that we have no say.<BR/><BR/>James Eterno<BR/>(I only sign is as anonymous because my name doesn't work.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-23994504691954436882008-03-09T13:13:00.000-04:002008-03-09T13:13:00.000-04:00Maybe I'm not as much interested in the newbies an...Maybe I'm not as much interested in the newbies anymore since we were sold out by most new teachers in '05. And, while I believe this deal was misrepresented as 25/55, I still would rather be out at 57 than 62. <BR/><BR/>My real concern is that this deal may also be the cornerstone of paying more for health care because that's going to be the next bargining point in order not to work beyond 3:17.5seconds. We already know Unity will not give back the givebacks nor will they oppose mayoral control in some form.<BR/><BR/>I think ICE (again as a matter of better marketing) should be focusing on the elimination of mayoral control.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com