tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post3750426771582765452..comments2024-03-07T15:25:26.971-05:00Comments on ICEUFT Blog: OPT OUT RATE INCREASES DRAMATICALLY IN NYSJeff Kaufmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11728874415155394751noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-34179344363776319092015-08-14T10:11:12.931-04:002015-08-14T10:11:12.931-04:00i certainly would not consider you a union stooge....i certainly would not consider you a union stooge. I believe you should be the union president. Instead you are an ATR. That one fact is a devastating indictment of the UFT. Trying to fix the union is like trying to win at 3 card monte. I do agree with you about needing a union. We need to equal the contributions the privatizers make to the politicians, or we are finished.Bronx ATRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08787717237141454628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-20383660058868545432015-08-14T09:38:42.879-04:002015-08-14T09:38:42.879-04:00"If you stop paying union dues you don't ..."If you stop paying union dues you don't end the union, you don't even leave the union."<br /><br />Point of clarification: You do leave the union if you stop paying union dues but the union still has to negotiate for you. <br /><br />Bronx ATR, I understand what you are saying about the union being rigged but I have spent 20 years of my life trying to repair it and not kill it off. I fear for the future of public education without a union. I agree that the lure of saving dues money will be too great for many people who will leave if we lose the Friedrich case but a union without funds will be even worse than the one we have. <br /><br />I guess I would be considered a union stooge then by some of the people commenting even though this blog is often critical of UFT leadership but not the concept of a union.James Eternohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578647381229034792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-65147233573471628362015-08-13T22:47:53.676-04:002015-08-13T22:47:53.676-04:0010:25,
Tell us how to fix it, oh UFT stooge. You&#...10:25,<br />Tell us how to fix it, oh UFT stooge. You'll be doing alot of whining very soon!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-55284506596343791952015-08-13T22:42:32.088-04:002015-08-13T22:42:32.088-04:00People are saying they are going to leave the UFT ... People are saying they are going to leave the UFT en masse and are giving the reasons why. That's not whining - its a death knoll for the union. And how would you fix something that is rigged?Bronx ATRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08787717237141454628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-57929947939921478652015-08-13T22:29:12.201-04:002015-08-13T22:29:12.201-04:007:44: When the UFT dies, we go down with them. My ...7:44: When the UFT dies, we go down with them. My problem is with the leadership, not the union. Denying a union of money only help ed reform.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-16098245301894951772015-08-13T22:25:47.403-04:002015-08-13T22:25:47.403-04:00Then stop whining on here and fix the union.Then stop whining on here and fix the union.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-14830957923649645422015-08-13T20:48:22.420-04:002015-08-13T20:48:22.420-04:00If the SC rules in favor of optional dues, the UFT...If the SC rules in favor of optional dues, the UFT will loose 80% of its members. We, as teachers, must start thinking for ourselves and not trust everything that the UFT tells us. What other union would have passed this contract? None, but it passed us with 77%. What other union would allow an entire segment of their membership to become disjointed and inconsequential, and then solidify that action via contract? None. What other union would deny a group that's over a decade old, saying we are temporary, their own chapter? None. They tell us we are lucky to have a job and they are responsible for it. That's complete bullshit. If they could have laid us off, they would have agreed to it - that much is evident from the diminished due process in the last contract. What's saving us is LIFO. If that's attacked, the other unions would attack. Logically we need a union and shouldn't leave it, but the fact is we don't currently have a functioning union. The UFT should now be in overdrive, but it's sitting back as usual. Bronx ATRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08787717237141454628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-4727128807238606682015-08-13T19:44:03.771-04:002015-08-13T19:44:03.771-04:00If you stop paying union dues you don't end th...If you stop paying union dues you don't end the union, you don't even leave the union. They must represent you still and they will be around. My freedom of speech is absolutely isolated, infinged and subjugated by being forced to be part and parcel of the UFT. Constitutionally I strongly believe that the UFT and many other unions engage in constant political action and magnifies "its" views with our money. For that reason alone we must be allowed a choice to pay into the UFT or not. <br /><br />The UFT will also finally become a democracy. If it is true that 74% of teachers love their contract and love the UFT, then they will get 75% of dues. If they go against the people, if the people are unhappy their contributions will fall. Unions are great, absoultly have done a lot for middle class people, but not all are equal. I have said it over and over, NYPD, FDNY will have no problem getting their members to pay dues. The UFT and Mulgrew have decimated our union, they'll be lucky to keep 50%! And maybe the ruling party will change, maybe they'll wakeup and fight for us and not their quarter million dollar salaries! If not, then the UFT should die.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-47595038865830207622015-08-13T18:49:54.909-04:002015-08-13T18:49:54.909-04:00You still didn't answer my question of where w...You still didn't answer my question of where working people are better off without any kind of union?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-88030103563287059852015-08-13T17:34:47.529-04:002015-08-13T17:34:47.529-04:00how do things get worse from here?
maybe it provid...how do things get worse from here?<br />maybe it provides a kick in the pants <br />or a greater call for militancy in regards to teachers being abused by admins.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-30461350874882494252015-08-13T10:15:04.984-04:002015-08-13T10:15:04.984-04:00We will be cutting off our noses to spite our face...We will be cutting off our noses to spite our faces by opting out of the union. You think it will be better without a union? Name one place where it is?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-46733384749951995902015-08-13T10:10:27.351-04:002015-08-13T10:10:27.351-04:0075% of teachers voted for that 2014 contract. Aren...75% of teachers voted for that 2014 contract. Aren't we as much to blame as Mulgrew? We fell for it. How will having a tiny union help?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-16347620434695944942015-08-13T08:24:30.814-04:002015-08-13T08:24:30.814-04:00I agree on opting out of union dues.
I would lov...I agree on opting out of union dues. <br /><br />I would love to see many reps in the UFT borough offices lose their jobs. <br /><br />KarmaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-28019550052377980622015-08-13T07:36:47.402-04:002015-08-13T07:36:47.402-04:00I agree. The UFT is in bed with the city administr...I agree. The UFT is in bed with the city administration. Does anyone feel secure in their positions anymore? Quite the contrary, The UFT, through their sheer stupidity, put it's senior members into the position of feeling like a financial burden as they climb the pay scale. <br />They have created a whole class of second citizens with the ATR pool, those poor souls are demoralized like lepers, all the while still paying their $100 dues every month. I could go on and on. Since it is likely that this union is too corrupt and it's membership too ignorant to change leadership, I say OPT OUT. Send Meathead Mike back to the woodshop. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-78242011435313708292015-08-12T22:05:13.516-04:002015-08-12T22:05:13.516-04:00I want to opt out of the UFT because they don'...I want to opt out of the UFT because they don't want oppossition, they don't support teachers, they make huge salaries(should NEVER be more than a top teacher), they raped us with a horrible contract, I am waiting until 2020 to get my full "restructured bonus payments" they are silent as we are abused. I don't want to destroy the UFT, I know opting out will not. The UFT has huge investments and income. They will be fine for quite a while. I want to make the UFT work. I want to make the UFT, Mulgrew, Richard Mantell, Leroy Barr, etc. feel we matter. i want to wake them up and scare the shit out of them...maybe fire them and find better leaders. We don't matter right now to them, they don't care what we think or what's happening in our schools...this will wake them up! And they will have to campaign and fight for each teachers dues and constantly fear making decisions which are not supported. <br /><br />In the event the UFT doesn't wake up, or they destroyed the members so badly with the 2014 contract that a majority of people stop paying dues, then so be it! The UFT either gets us contracts like the FDNY and NYPD and fights for us like they do for their members, or it should die! The UFT sold out 10's of thousands of members with the 2014 contract, all those memebrs who left or leave never see any retro...no other unoin would sell their members out like that. Does that make you want to pay dues? Become something we value, become indispensable, or die UFT!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-38418325338955171032015-08-12T20:50:07.257-04:002015-08-12T20:50:07.257-04:00Maybe you don't mind paying Meathead Mike and ...Maybe you don't mind paying Meathead Mike and his cronies $100 every month for NOTHING. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-33309063956920296992015-08-12T18:44:54.954-04:002015-08-12T18:44:54.954-04:00What have you done to help the union?What have you done to help the union?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-37551630157167206602015-08-12T18:44:07.777-04:002015-08-12T18:44:07.777-04:00And how will that help us when everyone opts out o...And how will that help us when everyone opts out of the union?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15921757.post-10983436315248668072015-08-12T18:30:44.045-04:002015-08-12T18:30:44.045-04:00Just wait and see the opt out rate for NYC teacher...Just wait and see the opt out rate for NYC teachers once the Supreme Court gives us the green light to dump this do nothing union. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com