Below is President Mulgrew's letter to the ATR's.
If I understand this correctly, if an ATR was appointed permanently, no incentive to get out. However, a provisional hire or rotating ATR gets an incentive to leave.
Why did I try to get hired permanently? Thanks again for nothing UFT.
Nobody who is not already eligible to retire will take this money except maybe for a young ATR or two who already have new jobs (maybe in the suburbs) lined up.
Update: As for current ATR's who remain in the system, they can be placed in their borough (not just district). There are many unanswered questions here such as: Why did the UFT give in on this? More when we have further information.
Mulgrew's email:
Dear James,
If I understand this correctly, if an ATR was appointed permanently, no incentive to get out. However, a provisional hire or rotating ATR gets an incentive to leave.
Why did I try to get hired permanently? Thanks again for nothing UFT.
Nobody who is not already eligible to retire will take this money except maybe for a young ATR or two who already have new jobs (maybe in the suburbs) lined up.
Update: As for current ATR's who remain in the system, they can be placed in their borough (not just district). There are many unanswered questions here such as: Why did the UFT give in on this? More when we have further information.
Mulgrew's email:
Dear James,
Exercising a contractual right, we have been trying to negotiate another voluntary severance package for members in the Absent Teacher Reserve for the past few years. We are happy to announce that we were able to secure one.
The UFT and the Department of Education have negotiated an agreement for those in the Absent Teacher Reserve that includes a severance package with two options.
In the 2014 Absent Teacher Reserve agreement, the severance package was based on length of service. This time, eligible Absent Teacher Reserve members, including those provisionally hired, who agree to retire or resign from June 5 through July 14 may choose
to receive either $50,000 in a one-time payment or $35,000 and six months of health insurance. This money is not pensionable.
To be eligible for the severance package, you must officially have been an Absent Teacher Reserve member on or before June 1, 2016 through today. You have received this letter because you were an Absent Teacher Reserve member in September 2016 and may be affected
by this agreement.
Starting in the 2017-18 school year, the agreement also permits the DOE to provisionally assign Absent Teacher Reserve members to a school throughout their borough, which is a change that allows for more flexibility. Since the 2014 agreement expired at the
end of the 2015-16 school year, we have been operating this past school year under rules that existed prior to the 2014 agreement.
You should be hearing from the DOE about what to do if you wish to accept the severance package.
Use this online form if you have any questions about this settlement.
If you are considering retirement as a result of this agreement, it’s important that you contact a UFT pension consultant in your UFT borough office. Visit
the pension section of the UFT website for borough office phone numbers and more information about the pension services the UFT offers.
Sincerely,
Michael Mulgrew
UFT President
UFT President
Another uft scam job. Take this, lose 50k in retro and everything else...
ReplyDeleteIf one retires, no retro? Please clear this up.
ReplyDeleteHorrible deal. I guess they really don't want to decrease the ATR pool.
ReplyDeleteChaz believes 3020a winners will not be provisionally placed but all others will be placed. He also mentioned that the principal and off site supervisor will conduct our observations.
I'm glad it's within the borough. Does anyone know when we be notified of our new home?
Yeah we're all being placed in Bryant and Campus Magnet. Can you say "Set Up"! Good luck all.
ReplyDeleteDWARKA likes to target older teachers, and the UFT Queens office helps her.
DeleteNo, I think they are opening an ATR school run by Danielson or son of Daniel, I don't remember.
ReplyDeleteI called the Bronx UFT office for a pension consultation a month ago and was refused. They said they were booked up for the year. I don't understand Mulgrew's comment that provisionally assigning ATRs to schools within our boroughs allows for more flexibility. That's what they've always done. There needs to be a meeting with ATRs to explain our rights or lack of them.
ReplyDeleteThe letter is vague in many regards and leaves a lot up for interpretation. There should be a meeting, not to explain the pittance being offered, but to clarify how this is an improvement (as stated) and the details of our placement. It's the least the UFT should do and the decent thing to do. Sit us down, go over our rights and what it has agreed to for us. That I, or anyone else, should have to write or state this is incredible.
ReplyDeleteThey don't care..especially about ATRs.
ReplyDeleteWhat goes around comes back around...
When they need us...shall we answer???
What a horrible deal! Boroughs are big and wide, and have a vast range of schools. Putting an ATR into a terrible school will result in what is tantamount to a setup!
ReplyDeleteThis is just terrible. The UFT deserves to die!
What do you expect them to say? Either take the buyout or you will be placed for the year. Our rights? In borough of excess. What else can they say?
ReplyDeleteWhat else can they say?! Are you fucking kidding me? Mulgrew spent most of the year negotiating this deal. What are OUR MOTHERFUCKING RIGHTS, you Unity MOTHERFUCKER?
DeleteI'm contacting a lawyer and the Department of Labor as soon as I get the details. They don't want to give out the details or have meetings for a reason.
DeleteFile a discrimination complaint.
DeleteNothing has really changed except for year long placement, which i hate, because will likely end up in a shithole.
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ReplyDeleteIt makes no sense unless you are moving to a different career, quitting or retiring anyway. Think, if someone has lets say 15 years, and they plan to work 20 more years, in those 20 years they will make over 2 million in salary, plus medical, plus higher pension, higher tda, social security, etc. There is no buyout that would come within a million miles of that.
Let's take social studies(my license). Always more people than positions.
ReplyDeleteWhat happens then mulgrew?
You will be used an absent teacher reserve in whatever school you are placed in for year.
ReplyDeleteDiscrimination and mistreatment.
ReplyDeleteWhere's my fucking incentive to leave this system? I am sorry I am not an ATR. If I am an ATR, I get $50,000 to retire but me and most of the teachers,we get shit. How idiotic is that?
ReplyDeleteWhat rights do you mean? Its the same as always...You get assigned, you go in to that school...
ReplyDeleteDoes mulgrew work for the DOE or uft?
ReplyDeleteHe is the DOE
Deleteneither
ReplyDeletemulgreew works for himself
His mouthpiece Amy said 'it's similar to 2014'. That deal sucked too and they were smart to let it sunset
ReplyDeleteAmy is a smokescreen and useless.
DeleteSo this is the top secret deal that was being negotiated and couldn't be discussed at the last Executive Board meeting? Or is it something else? There needs to be some open discussion in which our questions and concerns are addressed. What's the big deal to spend a half hour with some of the 1870 members that have concerns? We ATRs have paid approximately $2,618,000 dollars in one years worth of dues to the UFT. No, that number is not a typo. Doesn't that buy us an hour of time from the UFT?
ReplyDeleteUFT = Corruption
DeleteAt least Dwarka communicates with those she gives the shaft. I prefer someone to say fuck you to my face rather than ignore or treat me like a fool. Give Dwarka Amy's position.
ReplyDeleteHello Janus, goodbye UFT.
ReplyDeleteNew hires needed for the upper echelons of the UFT - armed body guards; please apply immediately. Please have a carry permit and be prepared to use deadly force, if needed, against rank and file members.
ReplyDeleteThe deep fact that needs to be looked at here is the PATTERN OF NONSENSE. The UFT sold us out on our last contract. The UFT sold us out on our evaluation deal. Now they sold us out on an ATR buyout. The fact is they will continue to sell us out and there it seems like we are going to continue to be sold out. (New contract is fast approaching and you know the UFT/DOE are already having secret meetings about that) I am truly horrified and afraid of what might happen to us all soon. Oh yeah, has anybody even seen a district rep at their school lately? I have been waiting to talk to one since our shitty evaluation deal back at Christmas time and not a single rep has come by since before then. They are all hiding out to avoid the wrath of the rank and file. I thought things were bad with the 2005 contract but at least then we got paid our retro up front. In over 20 years of teaching in NYC I have never seen so many veteran teachers pissed. Lastly, I think the UFT thinks they can pull this shit due to the fact that there are so many newbie teachers who don't know about things like ATR's or retro money. The veterans in the know must inform them of what shennanigans are going down.
ReplyDeleteThe UFT and Fariña are destroying our schools, and nobody is doing anything to stop it.
ReplyDeleteDear ATRs,
DeleteI worked very hard since September to get you this marvelous deal. Realize that the DOE doesn't want you and it was a difficult fight to defend you bunch of losers. I'm working hard to have you high schools guys with 7- 12 licenses placed in middle schools. You middle school ATRs with K-6 licenses we'll be sending to elementary schools and elementary school ATRs with K-6 will be going to middle schools. This is a wonderful change to open vast vistas of learning and employment opportunities for you misfits. If you have any questions please don't hesitate to call ICE, MORE or Solidarity - or you can try me or Amy after July 1st and before September 1st. No need for meetings, we here at 52 are very busy with year end parties. (We often have left overs, come over anytime after 11 PM.)
Your Beloved Leader,
Michael
Most ATRS love the status quo. The commenters here are the outliers, and even they can't articulate what they want. The deal was meant to cull the herd, not eliminate it. The UFT is the bargaining agent. Imagine the chaos if the fools on this blog were in charge. Strange that James, who has always managed to find good positions as an ATR thanks to his talent, would associate with such a gaggle of whiners. The DoE should just force place you numbskulls, then watch the exodus begin.
ReplyDeleteLet me articulate you don't know shit. Place me motherfuckers! It's about time!
DeleteWhy can't I whine? I worked hard to get appointed and thanks to getting appointed, I don't qualify for the buyout while many of my friends do. Nothing against my colleauges, I do not begrudge them the money to leave this dysfunctional system. That said, I was encouraged by Amy Arundell to get
ReplyDeletea permanent appointment even though I am 56 years old and I did so earlier this year. I saved Middle College money because of the subsidy. If I didn't try to get appointed and just stayed provisional, I would be eligible for an extra $50,000 to retire. Yeah I am angry. Working hard and doing the right thing by the school cost me $50,000. That's a boat load of money.
It's not a boat load if money when taxes will take half of it and you don't have another job to replace this one if you do not retire. I can't retire for 4 more years, already am 60 years old so this $50000 before taxes is shit. I'm not giving up $90,000 a year with benefits for $25,000 one time cash. If I was ready to retire or had another job paying me the same or more, maybe. Otherwise, are you kidding me.
DeleteJust think of the scam, wait since 2009, till 2017 to get this next small piece of retro, then 1 school month before, they offer a buyout which will make you forfeit the retro you are finally about to get, plus the payments in 2018, 2019 and 2020. You might as well just work the fall term and make the same 50k, get a few more sick bank days and add more to your tda at 7% interest, and keep your medical for free.
ReplyDeleteI understand the tax implications so yeah you are right 12:16 and 12:27 pm. I went over this with a math teacher friend last night. 12:16, Retirees still get the retro payments. That's kind of not clear in the comment.Taking into consideration the tax implications of 1/3 of termination pay, the retro and the $50,000, it would really put me in a very high tax bracket for 2017 but it would be nice to be able to have that choice. It's still more money up front for sure and better than nothing for someone who can retire.
ReplyDeleteNobody who isn't eligible to retire who doesn't have another job lined up is going to go near the buyout. It is a joke.
James, dishonesty doesn't become you. With young kids etc you are not retiring.
ReplyDelete12:48pm: I am glad you can see my future. You may be totally off, however.
ReplyDeleteThat's what I meant, if you are resigning, not retiring, you waited all these years, only to have the retro snatched away, at the last second. I only have 15 years.
ReplyDeleteYou are 12:16 and 1:02? The same person? I was just specifying that retirement was not the same as resignation in this deal in terms of retro payments. It was kind of unclear.
ReplyDeleteBe a little clearer please.
ReplyDeleteYes James 1202 and 116. Understood. Saying for somebody like me, I waited all this time for a bit of retro, piece by piece, now they want me to quit just in time to not get the retro.
ReplyDeleteGot it. Don't leave. Horrible deal.
ReplyDeleteListen james- you should have no regrets.
ReplyDeleteYou wanted to teach, you got to teach- good kids no less.
I wanted a permanent position i got one.
No regrets!!
You got to teach and you are out $50,000. Some stayed rotating and never looked for a job and now they and Uncle Sam will be $50,000 richer while the rest of us idiots deal with Danielson. What's wrong with this picture?
DeleteThe lowlife language and attitude from some individuals on this thread leads me to believe as ATR's, they are exactly where they deserve to be, and they should take the money before they end up fired or in jail.
ReplyDeleteHey douchebag 5:37. Anybody can become an ATR in this day and age. All it takes is one false accusation and your ass is brought up on 3020a chargers. Even if you "win" you will become an ATR. Show some respect for these folks. They are us and we are them.
ReplyDeleteI just read the ATR contract 2017...For the guy you wanted to know his rights...It says after Oct 16, ATR will be sent to fill a vacancy in borough...And at level, HS, MS, etc...Also, assignments to cover leaves and long term absences...Only thing is doesnt clearly state is...Will we be rotating if not in a vacancy or staying at one place?
ReplyDeleteWhere did you get a copy of the agreement?
DeleteI hear Uft will be doing consultations during the first week of July in boro offices.....Here I come 50,000 richer....Las Vegas here I come!
ReplyDeleteIts on facebook page
ReplyDeleteWe ATRs didn't get Danielson training.
ReplyDeleteThat's what's wrong with this picture.
They didnt mention if Field Supes still exist, or about S/U, or the rotation, or how long a rotation. They were always doing provisional placements whenever they wanted so that isnt a change.
ReplyDeleteCan someone post a link to the agreement?
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