The lawyer for the plaintiffs just told me she believes this TRO (which the city has until Monday to appeal) would prevent principals from moving forward with any new excessing of teachers due to budget cuts...waiting to see what the city/DOE has to say.
I also asked what about the ~350 schools that got *more* funding this year than last, are they also returned to FY22 levels? Lawyer for plaintiffs said "It can’t reduce, it can only add."
Needless to say, a lot of big outstanding questions here.
Leonie Haimson The more I think about this outrageous agreement that @nycmayor wants Council to sign locking in future budget cuts if enrollment declines shows how unserious @DOEChancellor is in making changes to FSF & how this new FSF Taskforce is purely for show.
Adams is following through on a campaign promise to cut budgets for city agencies—but in the case of education he really should be cutting the fat at the Tweed bureaucracy. Unfortunately, the loss of close to 100,000 students into thin air—doesn’t help with funding. There is also impending MTA budget cuts due to lost pandemic ridership. Broadway shows are closing due to a decrease in tourism. The new reality is that the city’s population has shrunk close to 500,000 over the past 2 years.
This system is going to fall apart soon. The only way we survive is if cuts are made to Central, which will never happen.
There should be a buyout next year.
I’m not in favor of arguing against cuts. The system is losing kids left and right because it’s a failure. Fix the system and those kids will come back.
How ironic is it that the UFT is sending out emails stating that they are "fighting budget cuts", when in fact they are NOT even involved in this lawsuit.
Ok, why isn't the UFT joining the lawsuit on the budget? Could it be they don't want to antagonize Adams? The theory is we will show how nice we are and then he will be good to us. Having your nose up the mayor's arse seldom results in anything positive beyond Mulgrew having his calls returned.
2:31 Not what I call proof, but even if you are right that they don't want to antagonize because if they are nice, he will be good to us, that doesn't mean he "works for them". That's called using a strategy, however ill-conceived it might be.
Prove? I don’t think you really mean that, or else it’s just a strategy, and perhaps one ill-conceived. Actual proof would make the papers.
There’s a trend even in the best blogs that one must take apart the post, the opinion of another as if it were a manifesto that simply cannot be allowed to stand, when the opinion is antithetical enough. This invites nonsensical discussion much of the time. If people happen to have the evidence, they would likely post it, link it or at least mention it. If not, it’s very unproductive to demand proof, and quite silly when opinion or venting is clearly being expressed. Of course, if that’s the strategy, jamming the gears or leading into inflammatory nonsense, that’s a whole other thing.
It is necessary to have the Judge stop the DOE/Adams because what they are doing is contrary to the law. The DOE acts with a criminal mindset with disregard to the law. Adams and Banks think they are above the law.
Maybe, fines and jail time for Adams Banks would put at end to this corruption and criminal attitude. Our legal system in the United States is a failure and rarely punish politician criminals.
Adams will never layoff DOE bureaucrats because this is the Democrats patronage mill. This is a source of high paying jobs with nothing expected in return.
The democrats control NY. If they wanted class size lowered it would be lowered. If they wanted a fair teacher evaluation system we’d have that too. If you don’t think Mulgrew and Randi care more about what democrat party leaders want than what teachers want I think you’re wrong.
9:26 Oh please mind your business. It was the original poster who for "evidence", when I disagreed, which is another word for proof, is it not? I responded in kind. Our discussion wasn't nonsensical at all. It's your two cents that is nonsenical.
It's another trend on social that people can just make inflammatory or defamatory remarks and not offer anything to substantiate it and they get dragged for it all the time. "I think Mulgrew is doing a lousy job", is an opinion and subjective. Claiming that "the Democrat party", and Mulgrew in particular is not doing anything for teachers because he's in the pocket of Adams and Banks" goes beyond an opinion and one should offer something, anything, to substantiate it, even examples.
"Maybe, fines and jail time for Adams Banks would put at end to this corruption and criminal attitude". LOLOLOLOLOLOL. Trump stole MILLIONS and not only thinks, but really has been treated above the law, and I'll bet you don't support criminally charging him. But Adams, yeah, let's throw the book at hi.
The UFT and the corporate controlled Dem party are entwined at the hip - so yes I believe the UFT doesn't often act as an independent agent. Just look at the insane push for Mulgrewcare in partnership with the city. They will try to minimize cuts to an extent they can claim victory. If the opposition had created more of a challenge to Unity in the election we'd see the Dems themselves feel threatened and cuts would be less likely. Now they have given an organizing lifeline to the oppo - if it uses it well. But no guarantees on that.
Evidence is the UFT history of collaboration. Remember they accepted 15k cuts in 1975 - and helped pay to bail out the city. One would have thought not to agree to help pay without getting something.
The proof that Mulgrew works for the city is in every agreement Mulgrew signs with the city. The only gains came from federal law forcing the DOE to concede on things such as PPE and days off for COVID with pay. Mulgrew is as far up Adams arse as he was deBlasio's. MORE joined rallies against the budget cuts. Mulgrew, we are waiting.
Whether this is a ill advised strategy or outright selling out is irrelevant. The UFT is a classic example of a top-down, company union. Read the friend of the court brief in the Janus case that our parent union was a part of. We basically admit that public sector unions exist for the good of the government, not the members. Also, when Cynthia Nixon was campaigning to get our right to strike back, who was opposing her? UFT, NYSUT.
Kathy Hochul (Tweet: 5:34pm, 7/23) A world-class education system is the key to a brighter and more just future — and that’s what we’re going to deliver for students across New York by investing over $30 billion in our schools.
Leonie Haimson Budget was illegally adopted by City Council before the PEP had a hearing or vote on a budget AND the budget they voted on had no units of allocation including for CECs. Both are clear violations of state law.
6:26, my mmistake, I thought I was speaking with someone different than the original poster because you were the first one to bring up "evidence" aka "proof" but it appears 6:26 IS the original poster.
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A response to Hochul Tweet (world-class ed) Amazing! Maybe you should encourage @NYCMayor to #Restorethecuts and sign the class size bill so we can begin to serve our children of NYC with dignity as they still grapple w the mismanagement of their schooling during the pandemic.
There is more than $2 billion in waste in the DOE bureaucracy, the legal staff and central. Easy problem to fix our public schools, except the politicians lack the political will to make education work in NY City. New York City public schools became fake institutions with the advent of mayoral control. Fake graduation rates, fake diplomas, fake discipline , fake Regents grading fake funding.....all this was done with an eye to privatize the NY city public schools.
1:51 but "mind your business" is what the poster was suggesting. He felt that other's opinions should at times be left to stand without being challenged. I guess that only works when you agree with the opinion being challenged? Hall monitors indeed. Get lost and try comprehending. Thanks in advance.
“ There’s a trend even in the best blogs that one must take apart the post, the opinion of another as if it were a manifesto that simply cannot be allowed to stand, when the opinion is antithetical enough.”
Originally was going to read, take apart the post and poster, but figured people could read between lines. Guess not. Especially when one wants to willfully misrepresent.
Serious question. What is this easy fix you speak about @ 2:18. Throwing money at a problem has never been an easy fix. What are you suggesting? Get rid of the legal staff and central employees? How does one fix the decaying culture of NYC schools?
"Evidence is the UFT history of collaboration. Remember they accepted 15k cuts in 1975". Seriously?
Ednotes, you make good points, but unless someone is nearing retirement I doubt they are paying attention to Mulgrewcare because isn't that mostly affecting retirees (I see you have a NYT article on your blog about it). Employees with less than 15 years are not as bitter against Mulgrew as those who have been in the trenches since forever. All they know is that they came in, got a raise, and then was grandfathered into getting money from 2008? Danielson and observations was a given during their Masters program so they do not have as much of a problem with it as veteran teachers. They didn't even have as much of a problem with the vacation days vs. getting paid for it.
Bottom line is, if you want people to share your view about Mulgrew, and you want the votes that it will take to bring about change, then the newcomers have to be brought into the fold. He's not even blamed for excessing, that's probably being put on the Admin they report to.
At an #EWA22 panel very relevant to NYC: “Where have all the students gone?” on the causes + effects of school enrollment losses, + if/how to shift funding as a result. One of the panelists is LAUSD supe Alberto Carvalho.
I asked @LAUSDSup: spend fed stim $$ now to hold schools harmless for enrollment loss, vs. start “right sizing” now? He says “now is the time to prepare” for permanently lower funding/enrollment “but not by reducing critical programs.”
He predicts that there will be a “perfect storm” for (esp large urban districts) in 2 yrs w/ sunsetting of fed stimulus $, “enrollment will not have bounced back,” and another presidential election.
@2:26 Step 1: Getting rid of mayoral control and the dysfunctional bureaucracy (massive layoffs) would be step 1 which would be huge to improve the morale. The mismanagement initiated by Bloomberg was designed to wreck the morale of employees and to corporatize the public schools.
Step 2: Run the schools realistically. End high stakes testing and build pathways toward technical career readiness for students who need to enter the workforce who are not college bound. There should be partnerships with programs that bring students into workplace apprenticeships starting at the age of 14 or 15. There should be competition for available opportunities so that students are motivated to be successful.
Step 3: The current curriculum is from the last century. There should be much greater emphasis on computer and technology skill development. There should be a much bigger emphasis on computer repair, coding, robotics etc,
Step 4: Improve the quality of our school buildings, make the breakfast and lunch programs much more healthy. Offer choice of menus. Healthy meals make a huge difference. Many schools did not have adequate ventilation until the pandemic. Schools need more physical space and smaller class size.
There is enough money for all of this if not for the $30 billion being squandered on bureaucracy and patronage. Our politicians and political system is so deeply corrupt and controlled by billionaires such as Bloomberg , Gates and Murdoch so that that we are likely to be mired in dysfunction.
Kathy Hochul 25min ago If we want to fight for working families, it means we need to lower costs, invest in child care and education, strengthen our unions, and protect our communities from gun violence.
And that’s exactly what we’re doing — New Yorkers deserve it.
@8:57 am Our legal system in the United States is a catastrophic failure.
in my opinion, not only Trump and Adams should be prosecuted and required to spend many years in jail. Also, Nancy Pelosi and her husband for "insider trading", the Clintons for influence peddling, George W. Bush for approving the use of waterboarding, Obama for killing American citizens without trial and many other politicians are deserving of felony convictions. Our legal system is at fault for giving politicians/government leader too much "privilege" and exempts them from legal accountability and liability.
11:37 so your typo is someone's else's "willful misrepresentation"? LOL. But let's not get ridiculous, no one "took apart the poster" because they disagreed.
3:37 has better ideas than any past or present mayor or chancellor. Schools are political fodder. If they ran well and produced successful students, nyc politicians lose a talking point to fool voters…Which is all they really care about.
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ReplyDeleteThe lawyer for the plaintiffs just told me she believes this TRO (which the city has until Monday to appeal) would prevent principals from moving forward with any new excessing of teachers due to budget cuts...waiting to see what the city/DOE has to say.
I also asked what about the ~350 schools that got *more* funding this year than last, are they also returned to FY22 levels? Lawyer for plaintiffs said "It can’t reduce, it can only add."
Needless to say, a lot of big outstanding questions here.
The democrat party wants the UFT to remain silent. That is why the UFT is silent. Mulgrew works for Adams and Banks not teachers.
ReplyDeleteLeonie Haimson
ReplyDeleteThe more I think about this outrageous agreement that @nycmayor wants Council to sign locking in future budget cuts if enrollment declines shows how unserious @DOEChancellor is in making changes to FSF & how this new FSF Taskforce is purely for show.
Adams is following through on a campaign promise to cut budgets for city agencies—but in the case of education he really should be cutting the fat at the Tweed bureaucracy. Unfortunately, the loss of close to 100,000 students into thin air—doesn’t help with funding.
ReplyDeleteThere is also impending MTA budget cuts due to lost pandemic ridership. Broadway shows are closing due to a decrease in tourism. The new reality is that the city’s population has shrunk close to 500,000 over the past 2 years.
Do not worry-the southern boarder will keep pumping up fresh blood into doe schools.
DeleteThis system is going to fall apart soon. The only way we survive is if cuts are made to Central, which will never happen.
ReplyDeleteThere should be a buyout next year.
I’m not in favor of arguing against cuts. The system is losing kids left and right because it’s a failure. Fix the system and those kids will come back.
How ironic is it that the UFT is sending out emails stating that they are "fighting budget cuts", when in fact they are NOT even involved in this lawsuit.
ReplyDelete5:01 that's not true.
ReplyDeleteWhat is the evidence that Mulgrew works for us 1:51?
Delete1:53 you first. Prove he works for Adams and Banks. And while you're at it, prove that "the Democrat party" want the UFT to stay silent.
ReplyDeleteOk, why isn't the UFT joining the lawsuit on the budget? Could it be they don't want to antagonize Adams? The theory is we will show how nice we are and then he will be good to us. Having your nose up the mayor's arse seldom results in anything positive beyond Mulgrew having his calls returned.
Delete2:31 Not what I call proof, but even if you are right that they don't want to antagonize because if they are nice, he will be good to us, that doesn't mean he "works for them". That's called using a strategy, however ill-conceived it might be.
ReplyDeleteProve? I don’t think you really mean that, or else it’s just a strategy, and perhaps one ill-conceived. Actual proof would make the papers.
ReplyDeleteThere’s a trend even in the best blogs that one must take apart the post, the opinion of another as if it were a manifesto that simply cannot be allowed to stand, when the opinion is antithetical enough. This invites nonsensical discussion much of the time. If people happen to have the evidence, they would likely post it, link it or at least mention it. If not, it’s very unproductive to demand proof, and quite silly when opinion or venting is clearly being expressed. Of course, if that’s the strategy, jamming the gears or leading into inflammatory nonsense, that’s a whole other thing.
It is necessary to have the Judge stop the DOE/Adams because what they are doing is contrary to the law. The DOE acts with a criminal mindset with disregard to the law. Adams and Banks think they are above the law.
ReplyDeleteMaybe, fines and jail time for Adams Banks would put at end to this corruption and criminal attitude. Our legal system in the United States is a failure and rarely punish politician criminals.
Adams will never layoff DOE bureaucrats because this is the Democrats
patronage mill. This is a source of high paying jobs with nothing expected in return.
The democrats control NY. If they wanted class size lowered it would be lowered. If they wanted a fair teacher evaluation system we’d have that too. If you don’t think Mulgrew and Randi care more about what democrat party leaders want than what teachers want I think you’re wrong.
ReplyDelete9:26 Oh please mind your business. It was the original poster who for "evidence", when I disagreed, which is another word for proof, is it not? I responded in kind. Our discussion wasn't nonsensical at all. It's your two cents that is nonsenical.
ReplyDeleteIt's another trend on social that people can just make inflammatory or defamatory remarks and not offer anything to substantiate it and they get dragged for it all the time. "I think Mulgrew is doing a lousy job", is an opinion and subjective. Claiming that "the Democrat party", and Mulgrew in particular is not doing anything for teachers because he's in the pocket of Adams and Banks" goes beyond an opinion and one should offer something, anything, to substantiate it, even examples.
"Maybe, fines and jail time for Adams Banks would put at end to this corruption and criminal attitude". LOLOLOLOLOLOL. Trump stole MILLIONS and not only thinks, but really has been treated above the law, and I'll bet you don't support criminally charging him. But Adams, yeah, let's throw the book at hi.
ReplyDeleteThe UFT and the corporate controlled Dem party are entwined at the hip - so yes I believe the UFT doesn't often act as an independent agent. Just look at the insane push for Mulgrewcare in partnership with the city. They will try to minimize cuts to an extent they can claim victory. If the opposition had created more of a challenge to Unity in the election we'd see the Dems themselves feel threatened and cuts would be less likely. Now they have given an organizing lifeline to the oppo - if it uses it well. But no guarantees on that.
ReplyDeleteEvidence is the UFT history of collaboration. Remember they accepted 15k cuts in 1975 - and helped pay to bail out the city. One would have thought not to agree to help pay without getting something.
ReplyDeleteThe proof that Mulgrew works for the city is in every agreement Mulgrew signs with the city. The only gains came from federal law forcing the DOE to concede on things such as PPE and days off for COVID with pay. Mulgrew is as far up Adams arse as he was deBlasio's. MORE joined rallies against the budget cuts. Mulgrew, we are waiting.
ReplyDeleteWhether this is a ill advised strategy or outright selling out is irrelevant. The UFT is a classic example of a top-down, company union. Read the friend of the court brief in the Janus case that our parent union was a part of. We basically admit that public sector unions exist for the good of the government, not the members. Also, when Cynthia Nixon was campaigning to get our right to strike back, who was opposing her? UFT, NYSUT.
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ReplyDeleteEmployment with the DOE is more than half way to slavery.
ReplyDeleteOur human rights are violated everyday by this dysfunctional employer and our ass kissing union leaders.
When will Mulgrew stop licking the fecal encrustations off the rim of Mayor Adams arse?
ReplyDelete12:43 Beautiful!
DeleteKathy Hochul (Tweet: 5:34pm, 7/23)
ReplyDeleteA world-class education system is the key to a brighter and more just future — and that’s what we’re going to deliver for students across New York by investing over $30 billion in our schools.
Leonie Haimson
ReplyDeleteBudget was illegally adopted by City Council before the PEP had a hearing or vote on a budget AND the budget they voted on had no units of allocation including for CECs. Both are clear violations of state law.
6:26, my mmistake, I thought I was speaking with someone different than the original poster because you were the first one to bring up "evidence" aka "proof" but it appears 6:26 IS the original poster.
ReplyDelete11:14, I disagree. Lol.
ReplyDeleteIn Internet slang, a troll is a person who posts inflammatory, insincere, digressive, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, with the intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses, or manipulating others' perception.
ReplyDeleteThere is no “mind your business” on a blog. Hall monitors. Jeesh.
ReplyDeleteGood points, Ed notes.
A response to Hochul Tweet (world-class ed)
ReplyDeleteAmazing! Maybe you should encourage @NYCMayor to #Restorethecuts and sign the class size bill so we can begin to serve our children of NYC with dignity as they still grapple w the mismanagement of their schooling during the pandemic.
To Kathy Hochul:
ReplyDeleteA world class education will only happen once you end mayoral control.
The mayor and his patronage mill are too busy squandering the $30 billion. They are misusing the money and abusing the education system.
There agenda is to privatize, privatize and to privatize so that their
billionaire patrons can further enrich themselves.
and you know it, Kathy Hochul!
Budget illegally adopted equals the Mayors criminal contempt for our legal system. Who is mentoring Adams? Probably, Michael Bloomberg.
ReplyDeleteThere is more than $2 billion in waste in the DOE bureaucracy, the legal staff and central. Easy problem to fix our public schools, except the politicians lack the political will to make education work in NY City. New York City public schools became fake institutions with the advent of mayoral control. Fake graduation rates, fake diplomas, fake discipline , fake Regents grading fake funding.....all this was done with an eye to privatize the NY city public schools.
ReplyDelete1:51 but "mind your business" is what the poster was suggesting. He felt that other's opinions should at times be left to stand without being challenged. I guess that only works when you agree with the opinion being challenged? Hall monitors indeed. Get lost and try comprehending. Thanks in advance.
ReplyDeleteNo, total misinterpretation.
DeleteOpinion against opinion, fine. All out personal attacks because of a difference of opinion? Not okay.
Delete2:46. No misinterpretation at all. Nice try.
Delete“ There’s a trend even in the best blogs that one must take apart the post, the opinion of another as if it were a manifesto that simply cannot be allowed to stand, when the opinion is antithetical enough.”
DeleteOriginally was going to read, take apart the post and poster, but figured people could read between lines. Guess not. Especially when one wants to willfully misrepresent.
1:45 go sit down Karen, there are adults talking.
ReplyDeleteThere has been abuse on here and there are multiple trolls. This site is not for amusement nor a venue for manipulation or teacher bashing.
DeleteFunny that abuse is not filtered out ,but opposite opinions are.
DeleteSerious question. What is this easy fix you speak about @ 2:18. Throwing money at a problem has never been an easy fix. What are you suggesting? Get rid of the legal staff and central employees? How does one fix the decaying culture of NYC schools?
ReplyDeleteFixing the dysfunctional bureaucracy would be a nice start. Send that money directly to the classroom.
ReplyDelete"Evidence is the UFT history of collaboration. Remember they accepted 15k cuts in 1975". Seriously?
ReplyDeleteEdnotes, you make good points, but unless someone is nearing retirement I doubt they are paying attention to Mulgrewcare because isn't that mostly affecting retirees (I see you have a NYT article on your blog about it). Employees with less than 15 years are not as bitter against Mulgrew as those who have been in the trenches since forever. All they know is that they came in, got a raise, and then was grandfathered into getting money from 2008? Danielson and observations was a given during their Masters program so they do not have as much of a problem with it as veteran teachers. They didn't even have as much of a problem with the vacation days vs. getting paid for it.
Bottom line is, if you want people to share your view about Mulgrew, and you want the votes that it will take to bring about change, then the newcomers have to be brought into the fold. He's not even blamed for excessing, that's probably being put on the Admin they report to.
Michael Elsen-Rooney
ReplyDeleteAt an #EWA22 panel very relevant to NYC: “Where have all the students gone?” on the causes + effects of school enrollment losses, + if/how to shift funding as a result. One of the panelists is LAUSD supe Alberto Carvalho.
I asked @LAUSDSup: spend fed stim $$ now to hold schools harmless for enrollment loss, vs. start “right sizing” now? He says “now is the time to prepare” for permanently lower funding/enrollment “but not by reducing critical programs.”
He predicts that there will be a “perfect storm” for (esp large urban districts) in 2 yrs w/ sunsetting of fed stimulus $, “enrollment will not have bounced back,” and another presidential election.
@2:26
ReplyDeleteStep 1: Getting rid of mayoral control and the dysfunctional bureaucracy (massive layoffs) would be step 1 which would be huge to improve the morale. The mismanagement initiated by Bloomberg was designed to wreck the morale of employees and to corporatize the public schools.
Step 2: Run the schools realistically. End high stakes testing and build pathways toward technical career readiness for students who need to enter the workforce who are not college bound. There should be partnerships with programs that bring students into workplace apprenticeships starting at the age of 14 or 15. There should be competition for available opportunities so that students are motivated to be successful.
Step 3: The current curriculum is from the last century. There should be much greater emphasis on computer and technology skill development. There should be a much bigger emphasis on computer repair, coding, robotics etc,
Step 4: Improve the quality of our school buildings, make the breakfast and lunch programs much more healthy. Offer choice of
menus. Healthy meals make a huge difference. Many schools did not have adequate ventilation until the pandemic. Schools need more physical space and smaller class size.
There is enough money for all of this if not for the $30 billion being squandered on bureaucracy and patronage. Our politicians and political system is so deeply corrupt and controlled by billionaires such as Bloomberg , Gates and Murdoch so that that we are likely to be mired in dysfunction.
Clear vision alert @337pm. Use the money to actually prepare our future--for the future. Stop playing along just to get along.
Delete3:03 please point out the "all out personal attack" on this thread.
ReplyDeleteThat was generally speaking. Going back to the original post, even speaking about the best blogs.
ReplyDeleteKathy Hochul 25min ago
ReplyDeleteIf we want to fight for working families, it means we need to lower costs, invest in child care and education, strengthen our unions, and protect our communities from gun violence.
And that’s exactly what we’re doing — New Yorkers deserve it.
https://www.manhattantimesnews.com/nobody-is-listening-nadie-escucha/
ReplyDelete2:12 "Budget illegally adopted" does not make it a criminal offense. Get a grip.
ReplyDelete@8:57 am
ReplyDeleteOur legal system in the United States is a catastrophic failure.
in my opinion, not only Trump and Adams should be prosecuted and required to spend many years in jail. Also, Nancy Pelosi and her husband for "insider trading", the Clintons for influence peddling, George W. Bush for approving the use of waterboarding, Obama for killing American citizens without trial and many other politicians are deserving of felony convictions. Our legal system is at fault for giving politicians/government leader too much "privilege" and exempts them from legal accountability and liability.
11:37 so your typo is someone's else's "willful misrepresentation"? LOL. But let's not get ridiculous, no one "took apart the poster" because they disagreed.
ReplyDelete1137 you spent a lot of time picking apart the post and poster yourself
ReplyDelete3:37 has better ideas than any past or present mayor or chancellor. Schools are political fodder. If they ran well and produced successful students, nyc politicians lose a talking point to fool voters…Which is all they really care about.
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