Latest USA COVID-19 numbers from the NY Times:
Is this a lull before the next variant hits or is this truly a positive trend?
Before anyone says how bad a job Biden has done with COVID, it would be difficult to argue with you.
This is sobering.
This tweet kind of sums it up:
As for vaccines, I am no scientist by any means but the data below shows vaccines are holding up in keeping people alive and cases down but they were oversold as the be-all and end-all and vaccines ended up coming up short against the variants as there is waning immunity and too many people didn't take them. Again, I am not a scientist so my view is no more enlightened than anyone's but I can read numbers.
Update in Wednesday's Times on vaccines. Shots continue to keep people living and out of the hospital. (Full disclosure: I got a bivalent shot.)
Just my opinion but any mandatory mitigations would be useless now as so many people wouldn't follow them based on politics. The science is still evolving.
Back to my area of some expertise: You should know you can get time off on the DOE's dime if you need a booster and have a reaction or if you have COVID.
Back up any comment you make here with data from a verifiable reliable source please. Check with Media Bias Fact Check or some place reputable. Thanks.
ReplyDeleteJames, did you know that if one goes to the Media Bias Fact Check with a specific news source and clicks "More Info", then at the bottom of that page one can vote that source either "Left", "center" or " right". Then the one can refresh that page, click "I am a human", and vote again? One can do that AS MANY TIMES as needed, and change the "bias".
DeleteHow is that a reliable source for you? Why would anyone outsource their own thinking over this kind if a sham?
A bunch have covid in my school and nobody cares. While I love teaching and said I would stick it out in the DOE at least 8 years… here I am on my second year with DOE and searching for another job.. I worked charter for 5 years before going into the DOE..
ReplyDeleteThe unprofessionalism of the leadership or administrative staff is toxic… many need psychology courses to learn how to deal with people and behaviors. A system full of structured chaos.
I’m wondering how people have dealt with this for sooo long… the chapter leader and the principal are in cahoots with each other… the system is failing both staff and students….
Such a sad space…
Thank you for the data.
ReplyDeleteCould it be argued that the pandemic is over because it is now more fitting to describe it as endemic i.e. a new normal?
I do agree, though, that Biden's comment was akin to George W. in front of the Mission Accomplished banner.
Regards to all.
In need of some advice. At this time in my life, I have saved up enough to go 6-7 months without a job. Each day this year ( starting my 5th year now ) is more dreadful than the previous day.
ReplyDeleteDespite my years in the system, I cannot justify remaining in the DOE any longer. Aside from a few Pros, there are many cons to working in the DOE. I love my school and admin, but I can definitely see myself doing less work for more pay in other fields. Not to mention the decrease in cortisol levels after leaving the DOE. With the six months off, I plan to study up on new skills ( technology ) to secure a job in the tech field or other blue collar work ( i.g electrician ).
It is my opinion that the DOE is a failing system. We are always at the mercy of unqualified leaders that wreak havoc on our salaries, pensions, teaching practices, etc. in the hopes of making a name for themselves.
What do you all think of me leaving and sending in a 30 day notice? For those that are also transitioning, can you please share some programs that I may look into? Thanks!
I just got out after 27 years,it definitely pays to stick it out, email me anytime
DeleteJust a sobering reminder that Covid is still out there. ABC News earlier today on its 6:30 news program —reported a 30% increase in Covid positives in the UK. Since it’s almost end of September—if past patterns persist—these same numbers should be in NYC by end of October to early November and eventually spread across the United States.
ReplyDeleteThe will be a wave here, sure- no doubt. But what was the purpose of the mandatory vaccinations, if they only perpetuated the problem?problem? To think Scientificly here.
DeleteBut why are you counting positive cases, and not the number of hospitalizations and deaths?
When did the number of cold or even flu cases mattered?
Here’s my bottom line. The medical/scientific “experts” in our institutions can no longer be trusted. They have lost all credibility. I’m done listening to any advice they give on COVID or new vaccines. I actively sought out the vaccine in early 2021. Then every move the authoritarians made to censor dissenting opinions and lie by omission or outright lies (Fauci fiasco on masks or gain of function research for example) made me stop trusting “the science.” I see the CDC, the NIH, HHS as nothing but political hacks in bed with Big Pharma. The drug pushers can find another user, I’m out.
ReplyDeleteJust my opinion, but the vaccine is not a vaccine. That’s where I feel fauci lost credibility in my eyes.
ReplyDeleteI’m vaccinated and had Covid twice since vaccination aka the shot and had mild cases. So, I feel it worked, but it’s not going to eradicate Covid like we were told it would by fauci
Thank you former President Trump for operation warp speed. Evolving science? The city fired hard working union workers based on evolving science and our union and some union factions that we pay thousands of dollars to protect us let it happen. Come on James. And thanks for censoring. Limiting free speech is not helpful to any true democracy. Can’t believe you once taught the bill of rights, astonishing!
ReplyDeleteCovid may indeed make a huge comeback this winter but DO NOT expect any changes. Schools will be open and kids/teachers will only need to quarantine for 5 days if they have it. The public will not tolerate another lockdown no matter how serious things get. Meanwhile, private sector workers will continue to work from home causing cities to further loose money to pay for essential services.
ReplyDeleteFrom early on in July 2021, we knew full well that the covid shots could not stop transmission of corona virus. At that time omicron wasn't even on the scene. We knew this because of the outbreak in Barnstable, Massachusetts amongst the highly vaccinated. Knowing that about the covid shot, they still went on to mandate the shot for teachers and fired teachers that didn't take it. Let me remind you that long before there was a vaccine, the vast majority of people that contracted covid did not, I repeat, did not end up with the severe illness or in the hospital. There was no good reason to mandate the shot under the penalty of termination. And it was the UFT that negotiated that penalty along with the city. The shot did nothing to stop the spread of covid in the schools last winter. They could not blame the unvaccinated educators though, cause we weren't there.
ReplyDeleteThe numbers are grossly undercounted. According to the latest US numbers less than 100 million people have had Covid in the US. That means less than 1 in 3 people. If you ask around, you'll find that almost 90 percent of the population has had it by now. Also, I read somewhere that even though the count of deaths in the world from covid is 6 million, it is more like 15 million. Don't go by the numbers.
ReplyDeleteThe uft didn't negotiate to have unvaccinated fired. We fought it in court and lost
ReplyDeleteNo sir or ma'am. Read Scheinman's arbitration award. He talks about his award being largely negotiated before his ultimate decision, based on the negotiations prior to going to arbitration.
Delete12:06 that is a "convenient" thought to have: kind of takes away the membership's responsibility for the outcome.
DeleteThe Arbitration "cooked up" by DeBlasio's fundraiser was singlehandedly accepted by the UFT. No one had a vote on it. No one stood up against the firing. As far as I can remember, tchrs mostly accepted "the condition of employment" lie, and sold out
I wonder how many teachers who refused the "horse medicine" will be running to get a "rat shot".
ReplyDeleteGotta follow the medicine!
For the Greater Good!
Correction, mouse shot.
DeleteNEW: State test scores are out. NYC math scores dropped by ~8 percentage points compared with 2019, the last time tests were given without pandemic-era disruptions. Reading scores increased by about 1.5 percentage points.
ReplyDeleteAnd now Kyrie Irving will be able to play in Toronto for the upcoming NBA season—along with other unvaccinated professional athletes. And the ordinary unvaccinated citizen will be able to visit Canada as well..at least for now.
ReplyDeleteThis blog is way too kind to brain challenged anti vax Republicans. Please put this part of the NY Times story out
ReplyDelete"The most effective way to reduce Covid deaths, however, does not involve boosters. It involves persuading more unvaccinated Americans to get their first shot. Their risks are far higher than the risks facing the unboosted. Unfortunately, public health officials acknowledge that they don’t know how to increase that number very much. About four-fifths of the unvaccinated — a group that is disproportionately Republican — say they will “definitely not” get a shot, according to Kaiser."
"Covid remains so deadly largely because millions of Americans have decided they would rather accept its risks than receive a vaccine shot."
Is this the same NYT that called the 2016 election for Hillary Clinton? Or the one that promoted the idea of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction? Colin Powell went to his grave regretting that one. God rest his soul, he was fully vaccincinated and a Republican and died of covid. The New York Times, a trusted news source. Fool.
DeleteOr the same ny times that still says Russia Russia Russia Ukraine Ukraine Ukraine impeachment impeachment impeachment
DeleteI knew "the statistics aren't accurate" argument was coming with no evidence to support that the numbers cited are fake.
DeleteMedia Bias Fact Check current NY Times piece rates it as high in terms of accuracy with left leaning.
"...they use credible sources such as law.cornell.edu, Financial Times, and The Washington Post. Story selection is typically balanced; however, wording tends to lean left in most cases. Editorials on the NYT almost always favor the left and sometimes are inaccurate; see failed fact checks below. The New York Times still qualifies for High Factual status due to the incredible amount of stories they publish, but the left-leaning bias has increased from the previous update."
Here we go again. If the unvaccinated are largely "republicans", than how come they did not take the worp-sped shot? Sounds like they followed kamala's lead! Anless they simply think for themselves.
DeleteEvery great power needs its own Pravda.
DeleteWhy do you think NYT is distributed for free in schools?
Another one they need is Izvestiya. That would be WoPo.
Do not be gullible.
Russian collusion anyone? Fabricated story pushed by the so called unbiased paper of record. Only a fool would continue using many of the sources you use. But hey to each is own. Just because you believe those sources doesn’t t mean I have to do. Good luck with that.
DeleteA repeat response from earlier:
Delete"Show me where these COVID numbers on the map are inaccurate or where the Seattle stats from the Washington State Department of Health are made up?"
My father always said if you are going to be challenged make sure you are brain challenged. Thanks for playing and the compliment
ReplyDeleteRepublicans will keep dying for their anti vax insanity. Their consolation prize is they make Biden look bad as the bodies add up.
DeleteJames said not to mention dems or republicans but since you broke the ice. dems are dying from horrible crime policies, which by the way impacts union workers and individuals of color at higher rates. Thank you for playing
DeleteWe criticized Biden here. Now deal with the data on COVID deaths and don't try changing the subject to crime.
DeleteTo be honest James I don’t have much to say about covid. Our president said it’s over so who am I to question him on that.
DeleteHow about we talk about firing ppl in the middle of personnel shortage and crime crises due to covid that is no longer a pandemic? Sounds like a winner!
DeleteTue 11:05-
ReplyDeleteNot knowing your age,goals,etc it's hard to advise,but I strongly urge you to stay on payroll as long as possible and keep accruing your benefits.You just had a four day weekend, there's another religious holiday coming up then election day, Veterans day, Thanksgiving etc.
There are sabbaticals available for study or health reasons. There's always a possibility of more closings,lockdowns and less stressful remote work.
I just got out after 27 years and it definitely pays to take the long view.
What big pharma and its cheerleaders here, throughout the media, government and especially education did/are doing to all of us, but especially children, warrants Nuremberg2 hearings and trials.
ReplyDeleteSkip this message if it offends you.
What's the arguing for, $150K at 42 years old. Take the money and close your eyes like they want. See the latest math numbers? 9% lower than 2019. Free grades and no attendance policy. Cool. I tried to fight it, they told me to play ball with them.
ReplyDeleteNY Times, WAPO, CNN, MSNBC. OK, yeah. Left leaning?
ReplyDeleteOh by the way James don’t ever take my disagreements and criticism of you from the rights as proof that I don’t truly appreciate most of your blog posts. Very informative and welcomed
ReplyDeleteCivil discourse no matter what shape it comes in is always a positive for a democracy to flourish
Show me where these COVID numbers on the map are inaccurate or where the Seattle stats from the Washington State Department of Health are made up?
ReplyDeleteI do have to ask, James, if someone as powerful as the ones who run the nyt, wopo,cnn,fox wanted to hide the information, do you think they also would not hide it?
DeleteHow long did it take ppl to learn about other nefarious national programs. Not like we have a shortage of those discovered.
https://www.walgreens.com/businesssolutions/covid-19-index.jsp
DeletePlease read the post, 5:32.
ReplyDelete"Just my opinion but any mandatory mitigations would be useless now as so many people wouldn't follow them based on politics. The science is still evolving."
That’s an assumption not a fact. Many didn’t get the shot not based on politics but based on the science evolving. Why would you get a experimental shot for a virus that the science is constantly evolving? You just proved all our points about the shot. Do you hear yourself?
DeleteHere is the source: Walgreens Covid index tracker. The page will load veeery slowly. Swipe it to the left, and see the page listing on the bottom (1/5). Go to the histograms (buttom left) that show the number of positive cases. It can be stratified by age. I find this info pretty compelling . It does not have anything about the death count, bcs it is just a pharmacy.
Deletehttps://www.walgreens.com/businesssolutions/covid-19-index.jsp
Who's dying? People over 65 unvaccinated are the largest group. They are the ones who have the least to lose long term. Shots holding up quite well to keep one out of the cemetary.
ReplyDeleteFor the third time,
ReplyDeleteShow me where these COVID numbers on the map are inaccurate or where the Seattle stats from the Washington State Department of Health are made up?
https://www.walgreens.com/businesssolutions/covid-19-index.jsp
DeleteNumber of cases is not the concern: the virus degraded itself to a cold/flu-like symptoms. Survival rate is 99.9%, so you are building up a false argument.
DeleteWhat should be discussed now, is the effects of the "treatment".
How about the recent (9/26/22) study by JEMA Pediatrics? JAMA Pediatrics is an international peer-reviewed journal and is the oldest continuously published pediatric journal in the United States, dating back to 1911.
Here:
Detection of Messenger RNA COVID-19 Vaccines in Human Breast Milk
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2796427?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
The endless bickering over Covid, the inane use of online sourced numbers, the political polarization . . .here . . .none of of it is constructive. We need solidarity and focus not polarizing one-upmanship.
ReplyDeleteWe get 5 non CAR days off twice or 10 days off for two cases of Covid.
Is that enough? And, we can, if we have symptoms, take three no CAR days before a negative text and return to work. Do these three days count in the 10 total non CAR days off off the year? I think so but I'm not sure. It seems we get a maximum of 10 days.
Members had to take 5 days off if they were sick on day one. So they've used up 5. So these members have only 5 more for the year. Is this enough?
Covid is not over, not by a long shot, for teachers. Is this the best the UFT can get us?
I don’t believe anyone especially me are doubting your stats. But what should we do about it? I’m @532 and @637 thanks James for the civil discourse. True freedom of speech at work! Bravo to you
ReplyDeleteBIDEN SAID HE WOULD SHUT DOWN THE VIRUS. STILL WAITING SLEEPY JOE.
ReplyDeleteEngland/ 9/22/22 excess deaths, despite high levels of vaccination. Deaths are mostly at home (a.k.a. "unexpected")
ReplyDeleteQuote: "The total number of deaths registered was 12,133, which was 10.1% above the five-year average (1,115 excess deaths). Deaths involving (Me: notice this gerund they used) COVID-19 accounted for 2.9% of all deaths in the UK in the latest week; this is a decrease from 3.4% in the previous week.:
From UK Gov stats:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19/latestinsights#deaths
Sure 4:03–instead why don’t you just listen to the Orange Clown and just keep saying to yourself—
ReplyDelete‘Covid is just like the seasonal flu and would be gone by Easter of 2020. And why you’re at it—just take a nice Clorox Cocktail injection.’
8:24
DeleteI am a no fan of Trump, but I know that in ALL socialist countries and agency like KGB had a very effective strategy of painting their opposition as clowns and mentally unstable. It was effective, bcs the Party had a complete control of media. They learned it from Guebbels himself.
Do not tell me you just parrot the labels that were "prescribed" to you, pleb.
Typically what you'll find in many of these studies is this false binary between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated. Now what I noticed is that the CDC, the FDA etc., will publish studies never distinguishing between the unvaccinated never have contracted covid and the unvaccinated having recovered from covid. In this way they have completely cast aside the reality of natural immunity. It's as if it natural immunity is some kind of controversial conspiracy theory. Most newspapers, like the NYT don't even question this, add a caveat, or any kind of disclaimer. What the effect of this is, I'm not completely sure, bit it has definitely led to what seems like a crusade against the unvaccinated resulting in many of the losing their livelihood. Now James. Come on, you don't have to have any kind of expertise to recognize the huge problem that some of this bad science and biased journalism causes. I'm not a Trump supporter or anti vaxxer, but this kind of stuff forms the basis for cries of "fake news". The NYT is not as trusted and reliable as they or anyone else claims.
ReplyDeleteUK data
ReplyDeleteClick Mortality data by May'22
Download the Excell file
Go to line 149 for Unvaxxed Moryality may'22
Go to line 154...
Ask yourself: why is this info so difficult to find and read?
Good luck surfing:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsbyvaccinationstatusengland
The BMJ 2022
ReplyDeletehttps://www.bmj.com/content/377/bmj.o917
An analysis of 26 major trials of ivermectin for covid-19 found that over one third had “serious errors or signs of potential fraud.” One prominent meta-analysis that suggested a large survival benefit from the drug was retracted.6 The authors did a re-analysis and found that the effect of ivermectin on survival that they had shown in their retracted study “was dependent on the inclusion of studies with a high risk of bias or potential medical fraud.”8 The editor of the American Journal of Therapeutics published an expression of concern about another high profile meta-analysis, noting suspicious data in several of the included studies and concluding that “exclusion of the suspicious data appears to invalidate the findings regarding ivermectin’s potential to decrease the mortality of covid-19 infection.”9
This is from the not exactly liberal state South Carolina Department of Health.
ReplyDeletehttps://scdhec.gov/covid19/dangers-using-hydroxychloroquine-ivermectin-preventing-or-treating-covid-19#:~:text=The%20dangers%20of%20using%20hydroxychloroquine%20(HCQ)&text=HCQ%20should%20not%20be%20taken,liver%20inflammation%2C%20and%20kidney%20failure.
HCQ should not be taken for COVID-19 infection because it can cause serious heart rhythm abnormalities, severe liver inflammation, and kidney failure.
I don't have the time to refute the nonsense continually thrown out here by a few people. I have no idea why they still read this blog.
ReplyDeleteI am still waiting for someone to show how the Times numbers on COVID deaths are inflated or that the King County Health Departmen
Jamed, you ASKED for it..
ReplyDeleteIf you are not willing to look AT THE ORIGINALS, why would you insist NYT's interpretation is correct?
You were just given data from the top UK gov agency, why are you dismissing it?? Quit saying no one can show you how Times data is wrong. You are refuting it without giving it any attention. What a Shame.
Here is a simpler modality of the information. One of the US government agencies:
LA County Health Services director Dr Christina Ghaly tells supervisor Kathryn Barger that 90% of their Covid positive patients were NOT hospitalized for Covid.
Video Evidence contradicting your NYT info:
https://twitter.com/thatswhatcasaid/status/1574878787396780032?s=20&t=9yuNouPy99O6KDgVShsMIQ
Are we really still talking about covid james?
ReplyDelete99.9% survival rate
Is this a coordinated distraction from our economic challenges?
Union workers have more to fear from inflation, crime and working conditions
Move on James to issues that truly impact union workers That’s your strength, go with it.
Here it goes again.
DeleteUnion workers have more to fear from their union, who sell their members fir not complying with illegal medical mandates. And James here, the so called "opposing party" made WHAT SO EVER no sound about the illegality of the 2000+ firings.
But, yeh. Let's talk about "the real issues". 'Cause those, the unwashed and noncomplient, are just a distraction.
Until it is you next time.
@205. I’m 11:22. It was my wife
Delete19 yr teacher, no shot, fired.
But the golden lining is no more doe woke nonsense and a great job out here in Suffolk. Suck it doe/uft. Sorry that was childish lol
Now back to the real issues and challenges facing union workers and the uft is one of them
SOOOO strange if you actually research you see everyday very very healthy famous and normal people are dying suddenly. Many are dying after getting the vaccine. Myocarditis and heart issues.
ReplyDeleteVaccines clearly working well nearly everyone I know who is getting covid is vaccinated. If I ran the PCR test 40 times I can find anything, hoodwinked by Gates and them 👍.
Didn't the NYTimes and wapo get Pulitzers for covering Russian Collision!!! And like npr et al decided not to cover 10% for the Big Guy?
ReplyDeleteCan't make this up...deep into 1984.
Seriously, you taught the Bill of Rights?
It is so difficult to argue with people when numbers are right in front of you
ReplyDeleteHere are NYC numbers since vaccines became available in Jan 2021:
https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data.page
Cases-
Vaccinated Boosted:262,515
Unvaccinated: 911,740
Hospitalizations-
Vaccinated Boosted: 6,359
Unvaccinated: 55,483
Deaths-
Vaccinated Boosted: 713
Unvaccinated: 8,749
Here comes the comments saying it's all lies.
After January' 21 (!?) it has been established multiple times that : 1) patients "with covid" should not have been counted as "patients because of covid". 2) Walenski herself announced that the shot was not working g, and they knew that. Followed by cdc's admission.
Delete3) no one is "vaccinated ", unless they had a booster every 4mo or so. Only 2% of the population got the new boosters (tested on 🐀).So what is your argument, man? Why were ppl fired?
Here is the Group Life (Insurance) Annual report for the Society of Actuaries on the USA Excess deaths in the past quarter. Page 10.
DeleteEasy to understand, is official, was referenced by WSJ about 1.5 ago... They also mentioned access and alarming number of recent disabilities...
https://www.soa.org/4a368a/globalassets/assets/files/resources/research-report/2022/group-life-covid-19-mortality-03-2022-report.pdf
Covid returns.
ReplyDeleteJames admit Biden did a bad job.
No contract.
Uft has no interest in helping with anything.
Biden looked around a room for a dead person.
Kamala is saying we have an alliance and important relationship with Kim Jong-Un.
What an absolute disaster.
Where’s my comment?
ReplyDeleteThe term "unvaccinated" lumps all unvaccinated together in order that the entire idea of covid immunity from previous infection is a conspiracy theory subscribed to by flat earthen Donald Trump Qanons. The question that needs to be asked is who profits from this idea? I'll tell you, the same type of people that profitted from the opioid epidemic.
ReplyDeleteBig pharma, King County Health Department, the South Carolina Department of Health, the NYC Health Department, the NY Times, etc. are all in on the conspiracy so you don't take ivermectin and keep taking shots (they are not vaccines) that actually kill you. The data is wrong, wrong, wrong. Don't believe what is right in front of your nose. It is lies. Ignore reality. Q told me there is another Maricopa County recount coming. Trump will be reinstalled on November 1.
ReplyDeleteSend hello to the Q.
DeleteNice joke.
But I do not see anyone on this blog who has been consuming the Q stuff, whatever it is.
Ppl are simply looking at the alternative media. I, actually , followed up on the links , bcs I do not automatically reject legit info, or assign its origins to the " Q". Look it up, joker.
But yes,that info is not right in front of you. And sometimes you do have to spend some time just to realize it is different from what is being fed to us.
And, by the way, our country is not the first one, when the ppl live with one truth, casting their judgements on "the others", only to find out like a decade later that they were fooled.
So, hold your judgement, smarty pants.
You need another booster. Here take mine.
DeleteI think Anon 2323 is Q. Conspiracy theory specialist. He has other friends here. Sad but true.
DeleteCan’t wait until nov 1. Can someone wake joe up and tell him he needs to move
DeleteNo opinion. Fact.
ReplyDeleteAn April 2020 email by Dr Collins makes the objective of Proximal Origin clear: to "settle" and "put down" the lab origin of covid hypothesis. The public was intentionally mislead.
Vaccine saves lives. Data is looking at you in the face. You won't believe it. Just conspiracy theories.
ReplyDeleteSo then you should take it. But I shouldn't have to take it cause it saves your life.
ReplyDeleteAmen!!!
DeleteLike I said before, in a free society how much government control should we accept? That’s the question! James already told us the science is evolving and for some us that’s not a good enough reason to take the shot.
Earlier in teh comments section a writer said the UFT negotiated the firing of unvaccinated teachers. Nobody corrrected that. The court decided that the teachers could be fired. The UFT negotiated the year of leave with full medical. There was no negotiating the actual firing. For what it's worth, I was in favor of vaccine mandate at the time, but now it makes no sense. Nobody has any immunity left from the first two shots. So, the rule now should either be that boosters are mandatory, or that unvaccinated should be allowed back. I would vote for the latter.
ReplyDeleteQuestion, what would be the purpose of mandating a vaccine that cannot prevent transmission or contraction. What purpose would it serve? The president, the governor, the mayor, all up to date on boosters and vaccines. They still contracted corona virus.
DeleteBut very mild cases. The dead are unvaxxed
DeleteCorrection:
DeleteThere was NO court that ruled to fire unvaxxed teachers. If there were, then there would be a link here to the court's decision.
There was no uft negotiations either. Uft accepted the Arbitration from the arbitrator who was a known fundraiser for deboso. It is a fact. It is also a fact that the court found that Arbitration "Constitutionally suspect". I believe it was judge Walker 2nd circuit.
People do have a right to question and debate and thats a wonderful about blogs. And it should be based upon reasoning. However, there are some here that disregard data and will believe only believe want they want to believe.The NY Times didn’t make up this data.The charts presented here are not fictional and are perfectly clear with no opinions, no distortions, no politics here—is just shows that vaccines do make a difference -with avoiding hospitalizations/death.
ReplyDeleteJust wondering if these same people would believe the NY Times if they presented crime data that showed big increases in crime across NYC—of course they would believe it -only because it’s what they want to believe-and it fits their political agenda. And just wondering if the NY Post reported that the crime rate was down in NYC in recent months—would they believe it? Probably not-for the same reason.
So who do you trust-just your own beliefs—or just make up your science and draw your own conclusions because I know better. Or just live in the Kyrie Irving world—in which the earth is not round and vaccines are not the answer. Or just live in the Donald Trump world of election data result deniers.
Is this your belief that "NY Times didn’t make up this data"?
DeleteBy the way, they do not even need to make it up, all that is needed is a skillful interpretation. That is when you tell what is true, but you do not factor in what is important. Like counting every person who died "with covid" as "died from covid"
Who do we believe? I do see government agencies cover their tracks, but there are businesses that rely on health "signals" as indicators of the industry.
Look at the Life Insurance companies' reports of excess deaths, for one.
Those are very mild deaths 6:26.
DeleteNot making up science@ 3:37James said the science is evolving. So the science is evolving the virus is evolving and you want me to believe the science? Do u guys hear yourselves?
Delete7:09
DeleteYes. Very mild deaths and disabilities.
And not from covid. Read the report. It is fit ppl who die , young, active/productive. I will repeat: not from covid...
The pandemic handling was completely botched by Trump before Biden screwed it up.
ReplyDeleteWho’s data?
ReplyDeleteWith the pandemic —at least Biden has been in the ballpark—he has tried—but unfortunately he has made some errors with his remarks —but he respects and appreciates his coaches and players. He is still playing, making an effort and hopefully will start being more reliable on the field. But the American public will be watching him closely.
ReplyDeleteAs for Trump—he never showed up at the ballpark. Just about a total no show.
And of course , in his own warped mind he was thinking-
‘Oh, I’m there because in my own mind I just thought--I’m there’. He said whatever pooped into his mind such as ‘ We will defeat Covid and win the pennant by April 5, 2020.
Trump just continually undermined the work of his own coaches and players—his appointed pandemic team, scientists, doctors-even the Clorox people. He just acted like a total fool and deserved to be fired.
The bottom line— it’s not a very comfortable feeling that there are still over 400 people a day are being lost to Covid. Those numbers are not good and the unvaccinated are at greater risk.
Have you been living under a rock the past TWO years?
DeleteVaccines are not the answer, or at least not the whole answer. And they certainly are not the answer for everybody. Our president told us we were getting ready to have a pandemic of the unvaccinated. It, turns out last winter, with no unvaccinated teachers in school buildings the fully vaccinated and boosted were experiencing "breakthrough" infections. We all found out what had been true all along. These vaccines cannot prevent contraction of the virus nor can it prevent you from transmitting it. Yet still how do you justify it being not safe for the unvaccinated to be in school buildings. People lost their livelihoods. There is no justification for this. But some teachers are all right with these policies. Our union certainly was.
ReplyDeleteThere was no court or judge that decided the correct course of action was to fire teachers. That came up in negotiations between the City and the UFT. The UFT was a participant not an innocent bystander.
You know what James it is also difficult for you to see our side because big tech is controlled byyyyyy the LEFT. Television and media is controlled byyyyy the LEFT, narrative is always controlled by the LEFT. Who censors? The left to the right. So when you see articles or statements from doctors who were censored be mindful. The tables are turned in your favor.
ReplyDeleteNew york times is not a credible source anymore its sad you believe that just as you use CNN which is basically watching Nickelodean at night.
True.
DeleteGoogle News feed is also very effective in sealing people in specific bubbles of information, feeding you what is pushed by the collusion w/government.
Get off your Google search. Use Brave instead. Short learning curve. As an experiment, browse "mass formation psychosis" on both search engines. See what you can notice.
Just say'n.
1:13:00 PM
DeleteThe Times, Scientific American, the NYC Dept of Health, the South Carolina Health Department and the King County Health Department all made up their numbers. I am trusting Q.
Just loving the civil and sometimes uncivil discourse. Bravo to you James for letting people in a free society voice their beliefs and opinions. Those beliefs may be wrong, may be crazy, may be not based on facts or data or based on different facts and data. Keep it going. but at the end of the day we are all constructional entitled to our speech and opinion. By the way I’m the same guy who is proud someone called him brain challenged. Go figure
ReplyDeleteI agree: James, I credit you for letting ppl be civil adults on this thread, trying to find what the heck is going on in our country.
DeleteScientific American. Can we please just end this debate right here? July 2022
ReplyDeleteDuring the COVID-19 pandemic, the link between politics and health became glaringly obvious. Democrat-leaning “blue” states were more likely to enact mask requirements and vaccine and social distancing mandates. Republican-leaning “red” states were much more resistant to health measures. The consequences of those differences emerged by the end of 2020, when rates of hospitalization and death from COVID rose in conservative counties and dropped in liberal ones. That divergence continued through 2021, when vaccines became widely available. And although the highly transmissible Omicron variant narrowed the gap in infection rates, hospitalization and death rates, which are dramatically reduced by vaccines, remain higher in Republican-leaning parts of the country.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/people-in-republican-counties-have-higher-death-rates-than-those-in-democratic-counties/
Don’t think it will fit up my ass. Could it be that red states had older or less healthy populations?
ReplyDeleteRepublicans are all unhealthy and old. Got it.
DeleteMight not have been the republicans in the red states but nice assumption
DeleteYou are welcome to my shot along with the ivermectin. I have natural immunity.
ReplyDeleteYour Media Bias Review:
ReplyDeleteScientific American is a popular science magazine and website covering general science, technology, health, psychology, the environment, and history. Information is properly sourced and does not use loaded language. Scientific American covers science through the consensus on GMOs and climate change. Editorially, Scientific American is not in favor of President Trump’s climate and deregulation stances. Evidenced by this: Scientific American slams Donald Trump’s anti-science rhetoric in a rare op-ed. In general, this is a pro-science source that has remained mostly neutral in politics throughout its history; however, in 2020, they state, “The evidence and the science show Donald Trump badly damaged the U.S. and its people—because he rejects evidence and science.” Therefore, this is a pro-science source that offers left-leaning opinions.
Failed Fact Checks
None in the Last 5 years
Who owns the Fact Checkers?
DeleteWho is on the board of directors at Scientific American.
Sadly, we are at the point we have to start asking these questions.
Lies all lies. Q told me personally these are lies. Those actuarial tables are more lies. Scientific American just hates Trump. They print phony death stories. Fact Check all you want. These are lies.
ReplyDeleteThank you 7:46/7:52 for the fantastic informational posts and 7:54 for the laugh.
ReplyDeleteLol.
DeleteOn point!
So James is anti-mandate now? Way too late. Your credibility already evaporated last summer.
ReplyDeleteNormal?
ReplyDeleteDr. Fauci and wife's wealth 'skyrocketed' by $5 million during pandemic: analysis https://trib.al/qJZZJBc
1,312 COVID-19 deaths in US today w/ nary a murmer. Highly likely that each case was started by an infection due to inhalation of virus-laden respiratory aerosol. Sad, as it is not difficult to dramatically lower inhalation dose and to significantly reduce chance of infection.
ReplyDelete350 is the number, not 1300
Delete10:28, what is the number from the violent crime?
DeleteFrom car accidents?
From obesity?
From cardiovascular conditions?
Unfortunately, people die.
What is your point?
COVID is third leading cause of death in the US. Live in your Q-anon bubble.
DeleteWell said @4:48. Our President blamed it on the unvaccinated. Not the case. Unvaxxed teachers were not in school buildings during the COVID outbreak in January. Who should we blame for that?
ReplyDeleteAll along we were told to follow the science. Now that the CDC set new guidelines and announced that there is no difference between vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals, we are not following the science. Teachers were still fired and so were many others. The UFT did not protect these teachers. No due process. What a DISGRACE!
Democrats outnumbered 2-3 to 1 in Republican counties and Democrats outnumber Republicans 2-3 to 1 in Democratic counties. It is a mere coincidence that they are dying in much bigger numbers in Republican counties. The mental gymnastics on Covid you have to do to survive could win a gold medal.
ReplyDeleteSo veeery precise. It is laughable.
DeleteWhat about the Independents and Unregistered?
If my being vaccinated doesn’t prevent transmission then it’s nobody’s business whether I’m vaccinated or not. I can smoke and have unprotected sex too. None of your damn business.
ReplyDeleteTrump never said to inject disinfectant. Read the whole transcript. Context. I don’t idolize Trump. I just see through the propaganda lies. Didn’t believe Trump about COVID being gone by April 2020. When you can recognize propaganda you can recognize it from whatever source it comes from.
Fauci refuses to tell us if he or anyone else in his agency profited from big Pharma royalties. He said they’re not required to disclose such information. Yet some here still think we should take what Fauci and others say as gospel. Our media pundits are nothing more than propagandists.
If those in charge can’t sort out who died from COVID rather than with COVID why the hell are we even looking at numbers.
The UFT did not fight for its members. UNITY supporters can say it all they want. Those of us who know affected teachers know the truth. UFT and many members turned their backs on colleagues who were right all along about not wanting to risk a new vaccine that doesn’t act like a vaccine at all. So what do the authoritarians do? They change the definition of vaccine.
Media’s got too many lapping up every bullshit story they push. They have you convinced if you think critically and question democrat authority, big bad orange man will make a come back and then the world will end. In reality they want orange man back. They can’t stop talking about him because orange man drives their ratings. You msnbc, cnn watchers may hate orange man but you all sure tune in when he’s the topic. Ironically democrats are setting the stage for the return of orange man with every decision they make. I get my news from Breaking Points, Glenn Greenwald and Matt Taibi not cable news or any other mainstream media. I also check out Scott Adams, Jimmy Dore and Tucker Carlson to hear different perspectives but don’t consider their info as facts. For the love of God, please stop believing mainstream media. They’re no more in reality than the tooth fairy.
Thank you for this post, 7:09, whoever you are.
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I am the Q
DeleteDon't believe mainstream media!?! Hmm. This is interesting. So 7:09 am, are you saying you don't believe ANYTHING reported by mainstream media?
DeleteBreitbart is too left wing. Der Sturmer is a good source.
DeleteI just watched a TikTok on a UPS deliver in the Teamsters Union making over $110,000 a year and read an article on the 24% over 5 years the railroad workers received, which will bring salaries well over $150,000 and the total compensation average to over $200,000. The average NYPD officer at 20 years is making $147,099 which can be greatly increased with overtime and they can retire at 20/22 years.
ReplyDeleteI certainly do not fault these people one bit or their unions...and I have absolutely no hope for the UFT and as I am somewhere on my way to my third decade in this job it's hard to start elsewhere. I find great solace in stopping my UFT dues, I could not live with myself and pay for such an awful couple decades of losses, always being sold as a win or that's the best we could do.
The best message and lesson I can garner from this all is avoid teaching and tell the next generation the same thing, DO NOT be a teacher! This job requires way too much education, daily work and struggle with bureaucracy, administration and children, with no payoff. Now all these new people are on Tier 6, paying 5.75% of their salary to retire at 63 years old? WTF!
I am not sure I would have been happy as a railroad worker, an NYPD officer-I think I would have and you meet many of the same clients, I would go back and have done that and been retired now on a pension with the VAF(Variable Annuity Fund) that is higher than my salary now.
Please, please, please, tell you classes and all the kids in your life not to be a teacher! Do Not offer any of that BS...it's a calling and if you love it...
Covid won. The US lost. End of empire baby, exacerbated by a general public that could not be bothered with avoiding the spread of illness. Maybe it's karma.
ReplyDeleteKarma? Karma for what @758am?
DeleteSiri, what is Mass Formation Psychosis?
ReplyDeleteI tested pos for the first time last Wednesday and my wife this past Sunday. Both in late 70s. We are double boosted - July 6 was the second one. Both of us mild colds - I'm pretty much done but still pos. As to 90% getting it -- I ask around and am surprised at how many haven't gotten it yet. Mine was reported and my wife wasn't so stats are def lower than reality. Neither of us took anti-virals. The NY Health person said hold off pending symptoms and my personal doc went further -- don't take it until you feel you have to go to the hospital. The death stats for older unvaxed are important. I have an 82 year old retired UFT conservative who didn't get any of the boosters and agrees with the conspiracy people here on drugs. She's had covid 3 times. Maybe playing roulette but not worried.
ReplyDeleteThe data doesn’t show how inept and unprepared this country is with its slow response in dealing with a public health crisis/emergency. There was no reason why over one million people have died with still more than 400 a day. The United States now has 40% of the world's monkey pox cases—why? Just a combination of politics, American exceptionalism and a plain distrust in government health officials and the media. Just plain sad and tragic.
ReplyDeleteOr....you are watching too much of CNN and the likes of it.
DeleteNo, I get my news from Q, Anon2323 and sometimes the liberal Tucker Carlson.
DeleteBreitbart is just too left wing for me. Joey Goebbels is my media guy.
DeleteYeah I’ll take joy and the view
DeleteThey are always fair and balanced
Or the intellectual giants, lemon, cooper, seltzer. We can have different opinions and beliefs my fellow union brothers and sisters and still be united
The Holocaust is not humorous
DeleteAnti-semite
Joseph Goebbels was a leader in the slaughter of 6 million people.
DeleteYour referring to him in a positive manner makes you an anti-semite.
Do you not understand sarcasm 5:44?
DeleteOr satire?
DeleteNobody should use Holocaust perpetrators foe any purpose except condemnation. Only anti-semiites do.
DeleteYour use is neither sarcasm or satire it is hate or ignorance.
Are you that offended by an anonymous joke anon 9:00 that you dodn't even get? I was making fun of right wing assholes like Goebels who the right wing covidiots here model their media likes on. Not making fun of Jewish people.
Delete12:33
DeleteEver watch Hogan's Heros or some Monty Python or Fawlty Towers? We have an admitted right wing asshole with a woke lack of a sense of humor.
Don't Mention the War is a classic. It is s1 ep 6 of Fawlty Towers. It is on Daily Motion.
If you watch this and don't laugh, you truly are in the wrong camp. You should be a woke left winger.
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7tnzc8
Never said I personally didn’t find it humorous. You should read my post again. My father always said better to be a right wing asshole than a left wing douche bag. Lol thanks my friend
DeleteAnd as Sergeant Schulz always said, “I know nothing” but make sure you say it with a German accent.
"Nobody should use Holocaust perpetrators foe any purpose except condemnation. Only anti-semiites do."
DeleteYour words, not mine 1:28. Are you now going to say that was a different right wing asshole?
7:58 My neighbor’s having an early Oktoberfest. Another at their daughter’s wedding, some are at their kids’ sporting events. I’m off to dinner later on in a tiny bar restaurant sure to be crowded. COVID hasn’t won in my neighborhood. We’ve pretty much been back to normal since fall/winter 2020 when we started figuring out we were being lied to and manipulated. It’s more like propaganda and authoritarianism won in your neck of the woods.
ReplyDeleteI hate wearing masks, but I’ll be the first to admit, I’ve have fewer colds and flus in the last 2.5 years than ever before in my life.
ReplyDeleteThe problem saying covid in Biden vs Trump states...There are Trump states with blue cities in them...Need a better breakdown
ReplyDeleteBreakdown is by counties.
ReplyDelete"The consequences of those differences emerged by the end of 2020, when rates of hospitalization and death from COVID rose in conservative counties and dropped in liberal ones."
CA had more covid deaths than FL and TX. Doesn’t that ruin the whole argument?
ReplyDeleteIt is by county, not state where the comparisons were made 12:50. People who do the research have brains.
Delete11:10 Goebbels was a propagandist. When you can recognize propaganda you should be able to recognize it regardless of where it comes from. If you only recognize Nazi propaganda from 80 years ago and not from current mainstream media about COVID or anything else, YOU’RE the idiot.
ReplyDelete9:00 Give 11:10 a break. He wasn’t praising Goebbels. He was saying if we’re republicans we’d believe Goebbels. I guess 11:10 thinks only republicans fall for Goebbels-esque propaganda. Not true but he’s free to say so.
Again James. You keep pointing out info irrelevant to mandates. Anti mandaters are not anti vax. I have a nephew that does extreme sports. I think he’s nuts for risking his safety but he’s a grown man who gets to climb K2 if he wants to. Same with vaccine. It doesn’t matter if you think the vax will save my life and someone else thinks I’ll get myocarditis from it. Both of you can mind your fucking business and stop thinking I need either of you to make my decision. I won’t trust your sources because dissenting scientists and medical professionals were not allowed to debate them. Why would I trust censored information? Maybe your sources are accurate. That’s as far as I can go.
ReplyDeleteAnd on another note…who the hell is this Q everyone keeps referring to? The James Bond character? And what does he have to do with COVID and vaccines?
James trust Fraudci says all you need to know. 89% liberals here jump to anything he says bahhhhhhhh sheep.
ReplyDeleteanon2323 "Q" mentioned menstrual issues over year ago
To women taking vaccines, menstrual cycle altered which probably better than getting myocarditis.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/17455057221109375
https://sports.yahoo.com/study-confirms-covid-vaccines-may-193000437.html
https://www.clarkcountytoday.com/news/fired-pediatric-nurse-tearfully-testifies-of-vaccine-induced-myocarditis-in-kids/
https://ahrp.org/israel-was-caught-concealing-childrens-vaccine-injuries/
From a recent NIH study on COVID vaccination and menstrual cycle:
Deletehttps://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/study-confirms-link-between-covid-19-vaccination-temporary-increase-menstrual-cycle-length
The study’s principal investigator was Alison Edelman, M.D., M.P.H., of Oregon Health & Science University in Portland. It appears in the BMJ Medicine.
“These findings provide additional information for counseling women on what to expect after vaccination,” said Diana Bianchi, M.D., director of NIH’s Eunice Kennedy Shriver National Institute of Child Health and Human Development (NICHD). “Changes following vaccination appear to be small, within the normal range of variation, and temporary.”
NICHD and NIH’s Office of Research on Women’s Health funded the study, which was part of $1.67 million awarded to five institutions to explore potential links between COVID-19 vaccination and menstrual changes.
A change in cycle length of less than eight days is considered within the normal range of variation. Although small menstrual changes may not be meaningful to health care professionals and researchers, the study authors wrote, perceived changes in a bodily function linked to fertility may be alarming to those experiencing it and could contribute to vaccine hesitancy.
On average, vaccinated people experienced an increase of less than one day in each cycle in which they were vaccinated: a .71 day increase after the first dose and a .56 day increase after the second dose. Participants who received both doses in a single cycle had a 3.91 day increase in cycle length. After vaccination, cycle length had increased by only .02 days for individuals who received one dose per cycle, and .85 days for individuals who received two doses in one cycle, compared to participants who were not vaccinated. Changes in cycle length did not differ according to the type of vaccine received.
Of the total, 1,342 participants experienced a change in cycle length of eight or more days, comprising 6.2% of vaccinated individuals and 5.0% of unvaccinated individuals.
PBS on Q for 7:17 although Q is well known but maybe you don't know.
ReplyDelete[Donald Trump's] published dozens of recent Q-related posts, in contrast to 2020, when he claimed that while he didn't know much about QAnon, he couldn't disprove its conspiracy theory.
Pressed on QAnon theories that Trump allegedly is saving the nation from a satanic cult of child sex traffickers, he claimed ignorance but asked, "Is that supposed to be a bad thing?"
"If I can help save the world from problems, I'm willing to do it," Trump said.
Trump's recent postings have included images referring to himself as a martyr fighting criminals, psychopaths and the so-called deep state. In one now-deleted post from late August, he reposted a "q drop," one of the cryptic message board postings that QAnon supporters claim come from an anonymous government worker with top secret clearance.
You ask, we answer but please no Q thread. This does explain some of the far right thinking.
James you have officially jumped the shark trying to explain q or whatever the hell you just did. Please stay in your lane. Union matters is your strength. Go with it. You must have been up all night researching exactly how cnn, Nyt and wapo defined q.
DeleteYes, 9:46, but no. I can't say James's strength is the union matters. Now, when it actually does matter, James and his crew has a chance to rise up for what is right: fight for justice towards those who were terminated without a due process for refusing the vaXXine. Time is running out, James, for you guys to get ahead of the justice system itself. That is what the union's function always was- to stand for workers' rights.
Delete.......it does take courage and willingness to not overlook the known evil.
Actually, James, it is quite obvious that the "Q thread" here is posted by a single person, trying to make fun of ppl who believe the "q" thinking. I do not understand how that describes all the "far right thinking", and even more so, it does not sound like anything right-leaning ppl posted here. So, someone's attempts to discredit the opinions shared here by brining up the q are, st best, pitiful.
DeleteThat was PBS, not me 9:46.
ReplyDeleteNow that’s hilarious
DeleteYou are using pbs as a unbiased source
James. Thank you for responding to my James Bond question. I have no interest in promoting it even though I did and would again vote for Trump. No need to post this comment if you think it will promote off topic commentary. Thanks for keeping us informed in teacher matters. I don’t agree with you often on politics but you are providing a valuable resource for UFT members.
ReplyDeleteI don’t know who needs to hear this, but COVID is nothing like the Flu. COVID is a Level 3 Pathogen that’s Killing more people in weeks than the Flu does in years. Covid Destroys your T-Cells and Binds to ACE2 (like HIV). COVID has increased Death Rates by 18+% in Ages 25 to 50.
ReplyDeleteJust published study (10/01) in
DeleteMDPI magazine Switzerland :
https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/10/10/1651
Is MDPI a reputable publisher?
DeleteIn general, I have read bad commentaries about MDPI publisher. Most common commentaries are associated with poor and non-rigorous peer-review processes and high Article Publication Charges (APCs), which is typical of predatory publishers.
Just for the record, I know at least 4 people personally who died of Covid in the last 2 1/2 years. I never even heard of anybody dying from the flu in my whole life.
ReplyDeleteFlu is coming in 9th vs covid that the third leading cause of death in the US. The fact that it drastically surpassed flu which has been on this list for so long speaks volumes. This not even getting into the different illnesses it is causing or will cause in the future.
ReplyDeleteNIH is source.
lol at 9:46 I absolutely agree. The "so called deep state" there is absolutely one just like the globalists run by Nazi Klaus Schwab and his butt buddy side kick Soros. James only strength is education and helping members. Politics is such a joke like this so called vaccine that people have buyers remorse. Same people here for 2-3 years literally and still do believe the fake russia hoax used on Trump.
ReplyDeleteNotice everything left leaning works for James and looneys here, however, right leaning its conspiracy theory or just insane news.
Meanwhile, new york times has made countless redactions and has lost its reputable ties. All your media on teLIEvision has hoodwinked you. All your CNN buddies have been fired or removed (like Cuomos), Crazy Olbermann fired, maddow sucks and left, racist joy reid etc.
All over for the left come midterms then republicans will have house, senate, pelosi gone, and Trump back soon.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/239749/credibility-of-the-new-york-times-in-the-united-states/
Anon 2323 said:
ReplyDelete"James only strength is education and helping members." I think union and politics are totally intertwined but how about you just read the union posts and ignore the politics so I won't have to spend so much time debunking your comments and you won't have to waste your time writing them?
Not a waste of time. Your more liberal readers might, and I emphasize might. enjoy a circle jerk echo chamber where mostly everyone has the same opinion. What good does that do anyone. I want to read other opinions and like I said numerous times I especially want to read the opinions of individuals I agree with the least. That’s healthy civi discourse that is desperately missing in todays shut them down and silence them environment.
Delete12:28, I could argue but we are not coming from the same universe so it is not worth anyone's time and I doubt we are changing any opinions.
DeleteNot arguing. I think they use to call it a debate or a conversation or discussion. We might come from different universes but to say it not worth anyones time is absurd. You taught history? You taught about the debates and conventions where people from different universes or from different political spectrums came together to debate, argue, and criticize. People weren’t afraid to be emotional, they weren’t afraid or lazy to voice their opinions. Where would this nation be if they had the same outlook as you about civil discussion? You taught the arguments during Declaration of Independence, the debate on independence, the debate on the articles of confederation, the constitution, Missouri compromise, civil war amendments, civil rights and many others. Democracy is not easy unless you shut down all other opinions. And that’s not democracy at all.
DeleteDebate is fine but when one side is making arguments that can be looked up and easily proven untrue and then they follow that up by saying the reliable sources which many academics would rely on are usually wrong, it is not a discussion; it is a misinformation campaign. I get tired of that. I welcome real debate.
Delete2:50, Here are most of my sources for this post and the comments that have been posted in support:
Delete•NYTimes Covid-19 Map
•King County, Washington Health Department
•South Carolina Department of Health
•BMJ
•An NIH study
•NYC Health Department
• A commenter used Scientific American
Pretty reliable.
Pretty reliable to you and some of your readers but not for me and some of the people who have seen a plethora of nonsensical, exaggerated and outright misleading stories on a variety of topics an individuals from the sources the you hold so dear. I wouldn’t bet the house these so called sources are as correct and unbiased as u make them out to be. But to each his own and I respect your beliefs even though I don’t agree with most of them.
DeleteMisinformation? Do you hear yourself? That’s what we mostly get from both sides these days. They find data or manipulate data/stories to fit their political, social or economic agendas.
DeleteAnon 2323 and Q are my trusted news sources. Lies, all lies from everywhere else. Please stop showing NIH studies. They are just more government lies. Breitbart is way too liberal as is South Carolina. If only Viktor Orban was a lot more right, I could support him. George Soros is trying to take over the world. Does that make me anti Semitic? Who cares? KKK all the way but without the lynching. I don't want you to accuse this right winger of condoning violence. Maybe we'll send them back to Africa. That will solve our problems.
ReplyDeleteOh yeah and COVID is a hoax perpetuated by Biden and Bill Gates so they can plant chips in you to make you buy Windows 11 which really sucks. No vaccines or Windows11 for me. COVId deaths are lies too. Lies, lies, lies perpetuated by 3M so you will buy their masks. Do you guys know what perpetuated means?
ReplyDeleteTake longer breaks between your posts. You are blowing your cover.
DeleteDifference between hate speech and hating someones speech. I totally disagree for waiting for support, like someone else mentioned still enjoy reading and having a debate even if we agree to disagree.
ReplyDeleteOpinions will change when the hunters are becoming the hunted. When republicans bring Fauci in to question. When election is going to be blown up and when narrative the liberals are so used to us vanished like a fart in the wind.
@134pm I am sure you know by now that I couldn't care less about your opinion. You add nothing here. Sigh
DeleteMore Benghazi bullshit hearings coming if Republicans take power and that is what most of this is about. Beware. When does Q say Trump will be reinstalled now?
ReplyDeleteReally? Have you looked at the insurance report on extraneous unexpected deaths which were not caused by covid? It is posted above. It is pretty convincing.
ReplyDeleteWait, did someone say "Benghazi hearings"? Seriously. Hahaha. That would be as nutty as when Trump said they must've raided Mar-a-lago looking for Hillary's emails. No really, he said that.
ReplyDelete1:28, your father really said that? Such high-minded thinking.
ReplyDeleteWe are not promoting groups like this here.
ReplyDeleteThe......... is a politically conservative non-profit association that promotes conspiracy theories and medical misinformation, such as HIV/AIDS denialism, the abortion-breast cancer hypothesis, vaccine and autism connections.
7:09, do you feel that women having abortions is your business? I'm curious since your entire argument is that is it's nobody else's business what one does with their health and body.
ReplyDeleteAnd yeah, Trump did say EXACTLY that: "“and then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out, in a minute, one minute is there any way we can do something like that, like injection, inside, or, or almost a cleaning”.
The UFT did fight in the courts for their members. Just because they didn't win doesn't mean they didn't fight it.
2:29 someone mentions Republicans in regards to COVID and you pivot to "people of color and crime". Why do you always have to wear your psychotic racism on your sleeve?
ReplyDelete"So should we isolate again?
ReplyDeleteForce people who didn’t get the shot to not leave their homes?
Physically restrain them to give them the shot?
Put them in jail?
It’s been 30 months and 2 presidents and nyc mayors.
In a free society how much government control should be accepted?"
ARE YOU OK??
Nobody suggested shutting down. Please read the post. We argued this:
ReplyDelete"Just my opinion but any mandatory mitigations would be useless now as so many people wouldn't follow them based on politics."
I can't keep up with one comment after another and now citing very, let's just say, out there websites.
I tried to cite a very red state South Carolina Health Department to give a consrrvative source but still people just make general statements that they don't trust the sources.
I made my point. The other side responded. I think it's time to move on.
We got more from the Times today on Red COVID.
ReplyDeleteWhen I last wrote about “red Covid” — the concentration of Covid deaths in conservative communities because of vaccine skepticism — almost eight months ago, I explained why the partisan gap could eventually shrink: Republican communities might have built up more natural immunity through previous infections, and treatments like Paxlovid were becoming more widely available.
This spring and summer, the gap did narrow somewhat. But it has begun growing again in the past two months, according to an analysis by my colleague Ashley Wu.
Government data shows that of the 20 states with the least Paxlovid use between late August and late September (per 100 diagnosed cases of Covid), 18 were won by Donald Trump in 2020."
"The shunning of Paxlovid seems to be part of a pattern in which Republican voters have wrongly dismissed Covid as little different from the flu. That mistake has had tragic consequences. A new study by three Yale University researchers found that the wide partisan gap in Covid deaths remained even after controlling for other factors, like age."
A link to the Yale study:
https://arxiv.org/abs/2209.10751?campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20221007&instance_id=73947&nl=the-morning®i_id=68012611&segment_id=109259&te=1&user_id=654d4cd3d0d3e3f5e22b6e4396f4edb9
From that Yale study:
ReplyDeletePolitical affiliation has emerged as a potential risk factor for COVID-19, amid evidence that Republican-leaning counties have had higher COVID-19 death rates than Democrat-leaning counties and evidence of a link between political party affiliation and vaccination views. This study constructs an individual-level dataset with political affiliation and excess death rates during the COVID-19 pandemic via a linkage of 2017 voter registration in Ohio and Florida to mortality data from 2018 to 2021. We estimate substantially higher excess death rates for registered Republicans when compared to registered Democrats, with almost all of the difference concentrated in the period after vaccines were widely available in our study states. Overall, the excess death rate for Republicans was 5.4 percentage points (pp), or 76%, higher than the excess death rate for Democrats. Post-vaccines, the excess death rate gap between Republicans and Democrats widened from 1.6 pp (22% of the Democrat excess death rate) to 10.4 pp (153% of the Democrat excess death rate). The gap in excess death rates between Republicans and Democrats is concentrated in counties with low vaccination rates and only materializes after vaccines became widely available.