When I was patched in, President Mulgrew talked about the great work teachers were doing. He then stated that Governor Cuomo had the right in a state of emergency to keep the schools open during spring break. This was the key time whether this crisis lasts for 6 weeks or 6 months. He then related that the economy is ruined and there is a huge budget hole in the state. There is additional state funding coming from DC. Mulgrew told Chancellor that remote learning during what would have been spring break should be something different than regular instruction during the break. Teachers and parents need a break.
We are in conversations about making it family engagement. Things like virtual tours. Parents say they are getting way too much work from teachers. Parents said that across the boroughs. Remote learning is crazy but we are getting it done. No training, no support system but we turned the system into a remote learning system. Frontpage story in the NY Times saying how much we're doing. Important that we continue to do that. In the middle of this crisis we are the continuing lifeline for all of these families.
Nurses making great sacrifices. There has to be a real conversation about how we are going to be compensated for this week. There will be a real conversation. Nobody is saying that we are not working at home remotely. We are going to push with the chancellor to make it different for the spring break week. We have to spend time with our families. Getting to some kind of plan on what we will do. On the phone with the medical people, these three weeks are essential as to whether this will be six weeks or six months. We all want to go out. We want to go to the grocery store without having to worry about touching someone. Mulgrew does not think he will shake anyone's hand again.
Nancy Miller, a nurse from Staten Island will be speaking and then AFT President Randi Weingarten will come on to talk about the federal issues. State has a $10 billion hole. City is in bad financial shape according to Comptroller Scott Stringer. Doing this together. Have seen what we have done. Governor made this decision based on public health. We will get through the week and then get through the crisis together.
Mulgrew introduces Nancy Miller. She thanks UFT for getting remote learning going. Detox, operating room and more closed. Hospitals are filled with ventilators. Some patients moved to Albany. This is a crisis. We appreciate the support nurses get from the Federation of Nurses UFT. Thanks UFT for work they are getting from the disaster relief fund. Mulgrew responds that we can't do enough for nurses. Going near a hospital now is surreal. Calls nurses true heroes. Says we would be in much worse shape without nurses. Thanks them three times.
Mulgrew will take questions and comments
First question is from Melrose School. Teacher asks that since they will not be back in schools by April 20, but can teachers go in to pick up resources in buildings?
Mulgrew Answer-Some schools have equipment but for safety reasons DOE doesn't want people to go into buildings. Mulgrew asks if administration is trying to recreate school day.
Teacher answers that we have a flexible schedule. Kids not independent. Working after hours for families. Superintendent wants pacing picked up.
Mulgrew Answer-Parents saying we are doing way too much. Parents want things to be pulled back. Parents saying they have to be there with their children. Having conversations with the chancellor on this. We are hearing from parents that we need to slow down. Parents agree we are doing too much.
Question- Teacher thanks first responders. President alluded to the fact that there will be compensation for working the vacation week.
Answer-Obligation to come up with a compensation package. Something has to happen. Chancellor agreed that he is responsible for having that conversation. Governor put out the executive order on Monday. It caught us by surprise. We are moving to a compensation package but we don't know what it is.
AFT President Randi Weingarten checked in. Mulgrew said he hopes federal lifeline is coming.
Weingarten- She is proud of Mulgrew and our members. No words on probably the worst crisis in the USA since World War II. We are all social distancing. We are flying the plane and building it at the same time. Three things AFT is doing nationally.
1-Randi watched the UFT beg for schools to be closed and then there was engagement. Feb 2 we worked with UFT people but President Trump said this wasn't an issue. Governor Cuomo getting some of the best public health advice. Cuomo is performing the best of the governors.
2-Focus on healthcare providers.
3-Issue about the short term and long term economies. Trying to make sure every teacher, para and food service workers still have a job. Third recovery bill has to be about employment, making sure everyone still has a job. Talking to Senator Schumer and Speaker Pelosi to make sure Title I money comes to schools. We need to be Roosevelt and not Hoover. We need to be Keynsian and not supply side. We got over $1 trillion. The economy has died. Can we ultimately stimulate it by getting people jobs and getting money into state and city coffers. Protect education. Members making AFT and UFT President's job easier by doing the work we are doing. Betsy DeVos giving no advice. Other students limiting high school time to 90 minutes, 60 minutes for middle schools,, a little less for elementary schools. Randi concludes by saying thank you. Says we are the heart and soul. She is grateful.
Mulgrew thanks Randi. Says UFT is her home and she is welcome.
Mulgrew says members can still take religious observance.
Question-D75 Chapter leader asks about religious observance days. Michael Sill answers that April 8 would be a day people would want to take. We are not working April 9 or 10 but people can take Easter Monday or the last two days of Passover. People can go beyond the three personal days and borrow days. We are looking at non attendance (no days taken out of bank) but we are not there yet. Mulgrew comes back to say everything is flexible including days off.
Question-Can't go back to schools. Anyway we can go back to classrooms to create meaningful lessons for students?
Answer- Looking to get protocol in place where people can stay away from each other and still go into schools. Amazing part of this is teachers are looking to get back into schools to see how they can make things better for students.
Question- How will the budget cuts affect us and our students?
Answer-Trying to get a flat budget for maintenance of effort. Our position is schools have to be held safe harmless and central should absorb cuts. After state budget comes city and then federal.
Question-Teaching live with platforms such as Zoom, as lessons have been hacked. What can we do as a union to encourage principals not to use these programs?
Answer-Parents are posting sessions online. It took DOE legal team to come up with rules so parents can't record or distribute what teachers and related service providers are doing. Pull back live stuff but people can use it if they want to. Some are having a ball with this.
Followup-Some are uncomfortable
Answer-We are in student houses. That's good and bad. A month ago, nobody was thinking about this. Now we are becoming experts on the fly.
Question-Teacher in self quarantine. Champion of schools being closed before March 16. Concern that students need schools but the week before when they were talking about sanitizing schools, it was not happening according to CDC standards the week before schools closed. Teacher was reprimanded for making kids wash their hands before they came to classrooms. If we bring people back April 20, we can't jump the gun because we want things back to normal.
Answer-No conversations about opening on April 20. UFT will take legal actions before opening schools. We knew there were cases of COVID-19 but schools were not closing. Taking legal action to make sure there is oversight over the city to make sure they follow the correct rules. Process will be intense about reopening. We must ensure the safety of everyone. Only mayor mentioned opening. Governor's medical advice says that there has to be a strong defense against stopping this so there isn't a recontamination. Need to be safe before reopening. Do legal advocacy and lobbying with parents.
Followup-Wants to be part of group advocating on this issue.
Question-Teachers not expected to provide what is done when we are in buildings. Concerned about observations.
Answer-We are having conversations at the state level about ratings for the year and tenure. In terms of observations, no agreement that says people can be observed remotely. Administrators can join classrooms. Beth Norton is general counsel. She says nothing from DOE on observations. It must be negotiated.
Question-Some parents concerned about grades. No decisions have been made. Is there anything on the table moving forward?
Answer-We will have to have a conversation about norming on a grading policy. Probably out a longer than April 20.
Followup-Union should put out something preemptive.
Answer-Everything has to go through city hall so it has become cumbersome. Things must go through four layers at city hall.
Followup-We should have access to gloves.
Answer-Will note that.
Question-What if the governor wants to suspend summer vacation?
Answer-We are watching that very carefully. April fools joke about that. Parents will support us if that happens.
Followup-What is remote learning supposed to be?
Answer-Building the plane as we're flying in the air. Parents say we're doing too much. Lessons, activities and homework are too much.
Question-Regents, what about the lab hours for science Regents exams? Teachers worried that with remote learning, some students taking it as a vacation. Could Regents be canceled?
Answer-No answer yet. We have to think about graduation requirements. Can't make up lab hours if we don't go back until May 1 or June 1.
Followup-Create virtual programs.
Answer-Will bring up piece with virtual labs to DOE and state.
Question-Social worker asks about tenure.
Answer-DOE originally said no tenure this year. UFT says tenure determinations can still be done this year. Trying to settle this at the state level. Optimistic there.
Question-D75 elementary school says kids need beyond laptops paper and crayons. Can we send art supplies to public school students?
Answer-It's a great idea to give out art supplies. We gave thousands of books to homeless advocates. For spring break week, we should do something about art.
Question-Payroll secretary asks about an outline for secretaries.
Answer-Agreement on student attendance and teacher attendance. Schools having check in period. Teachers will get a form and it asks if you were in attendance for. Form sent to you at a school. Check it. Mike Sill checks in to say it is a school-wide attendance approach. Staff attendance is that on Friday, staff will get an email on Friday and they will check in if they were present or absent each day that week.
Mulgrew-Working on something for secretaries.
Question-Perturbed and overwhelmed because person has no wifi.
Answer-Send an email to UFT to get help.
Followup-What constitutes attendance? What does present mean?
Answer-You were engaged with the students, you were present. Once schedule is set, if you followed it you are present.
Followup-Can kids keep tech?
Answer-Up to DOE but it is a good idea.
Question-Excessing in June or September?
Answer-Excessing rules apply.
Mike Sill-Nothing about the pandemic directly effects excessing. Reverse seniority order within license. DOE shuffling ATR's around much less than before. It will be a challenge going forward.
Mulgrew-Teletherapy can be done via phone.
Question-Students who are not taking advantage of online learning. We are making phone calls but kids not engaging on the platform. What can be done?
Answer-This is why we changed the attendance taking procedures. Some children who have life challenges while others just not engaging. DOE has to do something beyond telling the schools to do things. Chancellor agreed.
Question-Teaching fellow concerned about certification requirements.
Answer-State will extend period for all different criteria that have to be met for new teachers and other licenses. Deadlines will be extended. All will be held safe harmless.
Question-How many times do we have to reach out to parents for kids not being active?
Answer-DOE has to intervene. Not much teachers and individual schools can do. DOE has other resources to reach out.
Followup-Students partially engaged.
Answer-This is a lot more work than going to school in remote learning. Reach out to the administration to get support to make phone calls while teacher is teaching.
Followup-Parent wants to know about her own child's graduation and a ceremony.
Answer-We don't know.
Thanks everyone. Hopes the DOE doesn't take two more days away. Look to the future, nobody thinks what we have accomplished in the last two weeks would have been possible. Will go down in history. Teachers figured it out. Take time for yourself. Member Assistance Program having group therapy.
Tells people God bless and be safe.
(That's it. Still waiting for a hard question. It sounded like a Delegate Assembly. Any thoughts?)
For anyone who thinks this was free speech and the questions were random, I just heard from three teachers who told me that the questions were screened and if the screener didn't like the question, the member was disconnected.
For example, a special education teacher wanted to know if what Mulgrew said about slowing down was true but an assistant principal wanted much more, what was the teacher supposed to do?
44 comments:
Mulgrew and his predecessor always say the right things! What a shame they are both completely full of shit. Mulgrew’s begging didn’t get the schools closed, Randi. Why, after his begging to close the schools, did he allow teachers in for a three day training? I still haven’t heard a reasonable, viable response that isn’t the deplorable, ‘we put your lives on the line to keep the automatic dues check off intact.’
Yeah I don't believe for a second teachers are getting compensated, or if they do, there's some other giveback or stipulation. The UFT's history shows us we are about to get screwed again.
5% teachers will be let go, I just heard from UFT indirectly.
I have an idea for payment... How about beautiful shiny Unity T shirt and a tote bag with Mulgrew's face on the side. He can take credit for us all going green! Beautiful
I love how all the answers are not determined yet. Sounds like it was a productive meeting. LOL.
There is an hour and a half of your life that you will never get back. You listened to this fluff so we didn't have to.
Maybe 5 sick bank days...
Yeah. I'll keep that $1600 a year. Another day wasted. A bunch of non answers. A bunch of uft shill questions.
Randi says Cuomo best governor at handling response. Hate to see the bad governors. Cuomo let people travel in and out of nys spreading the disease. Cuomo left nyc schools open (along with Deblasio) after every other major city had shit their schools down. Even after Cuomo was saying it was really serious still had playgrounds and parks open and mass gatherings. Please he made it worse. Why was he good because he goes on tv every day? If his father saw how he treats unions he would be rolling in his grave.
You know what I think is going to happen? Every teacher will get 5 days credited toward their pension. This is great for veteran teachers. However, considering that 60% of all NYC teachers quit after 4 years of teaching, it will be pretty much meaningless for most. Thoughts?
No Mention of final retro in October many have waited for interest free since 2009. Also observations are vague, these are our working conditions.
Great idea, in exchange for spring break, give us back the 8.25% we should've never lost.
The 8,25% is worth much more than the week.
So? We should've never lost it. And not every teacher uses the tda. And not all use fixed.
5 days credited toward pension does nothing for teachers who will not work for 15 years in order to be vested. Even for a veteran teacher I think 5 days is work very very little. We are working ot just like all the other essential workers except they will be paid at double time or even higher. We get 0 compensation, just a we'll talk about it later. Mulgrew's clearly getting another kickback from the city or state. I will opt out and pay myself.
James you are exactly 2 months away to this date on how to stop paying our dues on June 1st. Upstate teachers in my neighborhood are being compensated. Mikey will get us our raise in May that we are do and say these 5 days got us the raise instead of postponing it till next year. Every teacher will feel great that they got there raise and totally forget about these 5 days.
Weak teachers equal weak union!!!
Can't wait for that opt out info can't come quick enough.
You need to find the opt out info, uft will never advertise it.
Those questions were so dumb. New York's dumbest for sure.
Thanks for the notes. My phone service was cutting in and out.
Amazing how other school districts have been upfront about compensating staff and as usual NYC DOE is dragging their feet on compensation.
This is disaster unionism. Anything for more givebacks. Never let a crisis go to waste as Rahm says. What you fools need to understand is these idiot powers that be need you as much as you need them. You keep these kids quiet and have the power to unleash them when this is over. Think about that.
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Dear DOE,
My heat/ac bill will increase. My electric bill will increase. I had to upgrade my internet service to teach online, increase. Water bill is going to go up, etc. Your operating costs are going to go down.
Maybe you should stop being up our butts with all your nonsense about the workday and making sure you get your moneys worth. Let's call it a wash.
Actually we are working way harder completely revamping your ed system for free and in an unbelievably short time span. Imagine how much your consultants from Australia would charge for that?
So, settle down before too many off us catch on that you have no teeth in the disciplinary process as long as we are working without a contract. Hear that teachers! Anything goes. If it has not been agreed upon by UFT and put in writing you can blow it off! Why do you think when ever admins are pushing crap they are saying "don't worry it's all supportive, nothing will be disciplinary"
It's because the can't discipline you for not attending a virtual check in!
You can't be disciplined for doing anything wrong while remote learning. There are no rules for how to do it. No collective bargaining has taken place!
If you want to post one assignment a week or crazily video chat all day with teenagers that is up to you!
Don't feel like being in that check in? If it's not on the approved meeting list don't do it.
Use the docs that are out and stand up for yourself, especially if your CL is trash.
And last but not least be super careful with your online interactions!!! Notice it's mostly youngin's doing all that and vet's who know better warning against it.
Think about how video chats and private calls would go over if we were in still teaching in school. Haven't people been fired for playing online games with students? Be careful!
If I had any confidence in the UFT and the UFT supported its members, I would have no issue working these extra days in times of crisis.
Since the UFT is such an exceptionally futile, yet wealthy, Union, the only compensation I will find fair is money or working fewer days this June. I don't want days in my CAR, I don't want to accept compensation 10 years from now, I don't want a guilt trip, etc. If it turns out that this is just another give-back, this will be the last straw for me. The $1600 that I save in union dues will be my payment to myself for working these 12 - 16 hour days and the extra five days.
Yes, @12:10, I agree that the DOE would have paid millions to consultants to conduct PD on all the online/screen time teaching stuff. They may still do it and use our lessons for the PD.
Someone told me that anything done on googleclassroom (docs, slides, etc) is the property of google. Does anyone know if this is true?
What are the different methods being utilized to 'call' families?
Teachers in Chappaqua are off for their Spring Break. They can work as office hours, they will be paid hourly. The Distric stepped up to the plate and created work as they did in Mahopac. No grading done by teachers.
750,
Not our jobs to ‘call’ families at this time. We are not social workers.
Families are dealing with serious stuff at this time. Not the nonsense of our bogus lessons.
Even during normal times, it is not my job to track down families.
You do what you can do. Period. The end.
This is the issue with teachers. We go out of our way and go above and beyond and burn the candles at both ends.
Work smart. Not hard. Do what you have to do to cover your ass and that’s that.
If the neophyte teachers want to make 75 phone calls, so be it. They will be burnt out in 4 years.
I can hear it now- "There will be no layoffs if we defer the last retro payment".
You heard it here first, my friends.
Carranza interview on Gothan Gazette - https://www.gothamgazette.com/city/9271-max-murphy-podcast-schools-chancellor-richard-carranza-remote-learning-coronavirus-education
NYPD/FDNY are reporting coronavirus infection rates/fatalities, but not DOE. Why?
“You have to keep in mind that the police and fire department are out right now serving the public" and "there is no mechanism" to know which school employees have tested positive, Carranza says
Worth mentioning that Carranza has sometimes announced DOE-related coronavirus deaths, but the department has not released aggregate numbers and won't explain why
I'm not giving back my retro. I already have that spent in my head and many people are depending on it. If they have to let the bottom 5% go, so be it. They are young and can get jobs elsewhere. Most of them are probably sponging off mommy and daddy anyway. Who do you think pays for their school and their rent and help them get a home? Look how Prince Harry is having his dad pay for his security in the US even though he's in his mid thirties and his wife is a movie star.
So when will we know what the compensation is?
Another uft screwjob
Anybody making phone calls to homes, whether it's a teacher, guidance counselor, social worker, etc.?
1156,
Not your job to contact families at this time or any time in my mind.
Stay in your line. Work from 8-220 then that’s it.
Take care of your own house.
Not your job to contact families about school work. More important stuff going on
I'm not. I just post 1 google classroom assignment per week. They all say they arent doing it. I ignore them. Report cards will grades go in, they can all fail. See if i care.
I spoke w my AP via telephone in an off the record conversation. We get along well.
She stares at this time as long as teachers pass everyone and make it look like you’re trying to do something, you’ll be ok.
All I need to hear.
Go along to get along and stay safe.
I'm with 101. I agree. They tell me they refuse, I don't even respond. I will pass a total of about 10 people. Oh well.
As an ATR, I’m still receiving weekly assignments. Shaking my head.
There are times when being an ATR sucks. This isn’t one of them.
For the small minority who mock atrs and say we shouldn’t get paid, suck it! Haha
Well, I'm certainly not passing everyone. My passing rate for this MP will be about 10%. I gave them the work. They told me to fuck off. How would they possibly pass?
I’m to the point where if the curse at me, that’s fine. You kind of get used to it. Haha.
As long as the checks cash, I’ll pass everyone. What difference does it make?
Keep the peace, get through coronavirus and enjoy your lives!
How is the uft going to pay for this? A Brooklyn elementary school teacher described as an “amazing hugger,” and who pushed to make sure her students always had interesting books to read, died from complications of the new coronavirus, according to relatives.
Sandra Santos-Vizcaino, taught third grade at Brooklyn’s P.S. 9, according to the school’s website. She died Tuesday evening.
The difference is...I gave work, they dont go it, they dont pass.
Many NYC educators are now dying can someone please create a memoriam we can add names if the list grows. Stay safe.
Sorry Randi, Cuomo's not the best-
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/04/01/coronavirus-state-governors-best-worst-covid-19-159945
Questions that weren't answered in yesterday's townhall:
1. Are we getting our raises in May?
2. Are we getting our retro in October?
Also, why is Randi giving people a history lesson? We all went to school stop wasting our time and let union paying members ask their freaking questions. You're a has been.
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