Thursday, February 04, 2021

MOST OF A THIRD GRADE CLASS IN OLD BETHPAGE TESTS POSITIVE FOR COVID-19

The next time some know-it-all tells you how COVID-19 does not spread in schools, show them this news from Old Bethpage, Long Island. 

This is from CBS2NY:

OLD BETHPAGE, N.Y. (CBSNewYork) — An elementary school on Long Island has been forced to stop in-person learning after nearly an entire class of third graders tested positive for COVID-19.

Old Bethpage Elementary has been closed for in-person learning since Jan. 25 following the coronavirus outbreak.

Eleven of the 16 children in the third-grade class and the teacher tested positive.

I find it very interesting that this story is from today's news but the building has been closed since January 25. 

92 comments:

Anonymous said...

And yet the head of the CDC says schools can reopen without teachers being vaccinated and the progressive democrat bosses in Chicago say teachers should return to class and the same woke bosses continue to lock out teachers from remote learning. Face it. Too many teachers put their hopes and dreams on democrats. Well you heard the democrats. Get back into schools. The irony is if Trump stayed, the dems would still be playing say the opposite of Trump and they most likely wouldn’t be agreeing with him to open schools. It’s not going to end well for Chicago teachers. That’s my prediction.

Anonymous said...

The difference between that and city schools is that in person in city schools have maybe 2-3 kids in a room(at least that was my experience). 16 is too much in a room.

I will amend my comments from the other day. If schools were to open and have protocols and were maybe 2-3 kids in a room, I would feel comfortable going back to in person learning. This is in no way judging anyone who does not feel comfortable.

However, if class sizes were 15-20, that would be a hard no.

Anonymous said...

I live in the suburbs and am amazed that with Long Island having its high covid rate that families, teachers and admins as well as hack superintendents are ok with 16-20 kids in a room. That’s ridiculous.

The one good thing about being a city teacher is you don’t deal with insane parents who question everything.

Heck, I’ve been on the job close to two decades and guess how many times I have been questioned on grades? Hint: it resembles a goose egg.

Sadly, leaders want to tell the civilians ‘hey, we opened schools. Look at what we did!’

It may be worse in suburbs than in city. Just my opinion.

Also, as a teacher, look at the insane rates suburban teachers pay for health insurance. That’s why their salaries look higher.

More job security and better insurance in doe. Granted, the job and traffic suck, but the bs is higher in suburbs.

Anonymous said...

Crappy reporting. 13 kids in the district.
https://patch.com/new-york/plainview/13-plainview-old-bethpage-students-contract-coronavirus

James Eterno said...

The TV report was a day later than Patch. I looked.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, they’re all pushing to open the schools the second that Trump left office. Before that the schools had to stay closed. I detest/ed Trump and I voted for him solely on the abortion issue. He’s the only Republican I’ve ever voted for, ever. I find the Democratic party to be just as Despicable as the republican party. The school situation is a politicized land mine.

Anonymous said...

So to really expedite the safe opening of schools—not only do you need the adults to be vaccinated—there also has to be a vaccine developed that can also administered for all students as well.

Anonymous said...

The 13 cases were reported at:

Old Bethpage Elementary School, 5 students
Stratford Road Elementary School, 4
Mattlin Middle School, 1
John F. Kennedy High School, 1
Plainview-Old Bethpage Middle School, 1
Pasadena Elementary School, 1

James Eterno said...

As I said, the Patch story is older. The channel 2 and News 12 stories are newer.

Anonymous said...

De Blasio says rule that 2 positive cases in a school = temporary closure is being "re-evaluated" without adding more details. Sounds like there may be some wiggle room here

Nice job, uft. Keep paying dues.

TJL said...

Did anyone say zero chance?

My kids are in classes between 15 and 20. No problems. Whole elementary school has had about 20 positive tests this year, no one sick.

The real devil in the details according to "the dashboard" is that there is a higher rate of positives among the remotes than among those in school.

It's not that there is zero risk in school. Nothing in life is zero risk. It's just no worse than a restaurant, movie theater, airplane, museum, public transit, shopping, visiting relatives, etc.

Anonymous said...

https://www.sfgate.com/education/article/A-California-school-district-reopened-in-person-15927588.php

Anonymous said...

It might be worse because the contact is sustained all day, plus masks come off.i avoid all those activities except grocery and bank.some stores have employees and customers.i made a point of telling them that I will no longer shop there because of this, after several warnings.they were fined but dont care anyway.asian stores plus costco plus TJs enforce masks.those are the stores I patronize.people are stupid and selfish.when this go around improves, they will slack off again and on and on, highs and lows.selfish people are the issue.

Anonymous said...

Is anybody absolutely terrified they will rescind the medical accommodations?

TeachNY said...

I think you’re good until June! Do not worry! In Sept I’m assuming we will all be back except for people with serious things (meaning the smokers, the obese, etc...).

Anonymous said...

My elementary school has a couple of classes with 16-18 kids. I have no idea how we are going to keep social distancing rules in place in September when everybody comes back. (That will also depend on how many parents do indeed plan to send their kids back) Society needs to know that even when high numbers of people get the vaccine, social distancing will still need to take place for an amount of time that is to be determined. NOBODY in charge of schools is thinking of this. They are hoping that Biden and the CDC will relax social distancing by the end of the summer and schools will be "back to to normal". Of course, the UFT will just sit back and take this kick to the face without a fight.

Shelley said...

I wouldn't put my hopes and dreams in the democrats or the republicans, but what is needed most right now is money and the democrats are delivering. The democrats, from Obama and his race to the bottom, to Cuomo, and his re-imagining education with Bill Gates, are really not much better than the republicans on policy alignment to unions, so why waste dues dollars on policy, teacher evaluations, tenure, charter schools ... when the records of the two parties are essentially the same, though the rhetoric is improved with Biden and Chuck and Nancy, but when you look at what is happening to support us with dollars it's no contest. The money to the state and city, to public education is pouring in. $2 billion of red wiped out for Medicaid alone in NY. And, suddenly Cuomo is tapping the bonds and short term paper markets, $10 billion to the MTA, $3 billion to Penn Station and other transportation projects in NYC. Cuomo is a master builder in NY because get around the Debt reform Law. Look to him and the democrats to build, build, build, and spend and run up debt here. All good for us union people.

So who cares about observations and tenure? Please, your missing the woods for the trees people. We riding the gravy train. What we need in money. Money means jobs. It's that simple now.

We are reflating here, check the price of commodities, oil ... all up, the economy, with pent up demand, flooded with cash is getting another shot in the arm here from Biden. We need it, as the real unemployment rate is still up around 10%, higher here in NYC. And here comes the green, baby. There is only one party in America, the business party, and right now the democrats have the votes to pull the lever of business in a massive way, never done before. The coordination of Yellen and Jay, Nancy and Chuck will keep us employed.

Our biggest challenge is still our so-called union. Mulgrew, the rooster that takes credit for the dawn here, will continue to sell us out, claiming that he's kept us in work, that the budgets are too tight for raises, he will look to cut benefits.

Had we struck it would game over for Mike, but we missed out chance. Now we have the flood of green that will keep us working but we will have to give and give cause that's how Mike stays in power.

Anonymous said...

Hey Shelly, I care about observations. Observations/Danielson is the weapon of choice used against veteran teachers.

Anonymous said...

Fuck Danielson. Fuck Mulgrew.

TJL said...

Yikes. Even TeachNY is talking about some people not being back in September. Social distancing in the fall. Even Biden and Cuomo understand that can't happen, thus the "100 day" challenge. NYC has over 11% unemployment; Florida is at 6%, South Dakota at 3%. The "open" states are managing better COVID death rates than the "closed" ones. The lockdown lunacy must end. We don't need money printing, Shelley unintentionally pointed out the inflation already being caused by the devaluation of our currency, heating oil up over 50 cents a gallon just since the election, there's a housing bubble 2.0. Rough times are ahead and it has nothing to do with COVID.

Anonymous said...

Shelly has one of the keenest incites into our corrupt country, state and union. I also appreciate James’ challenges to Shelly’s ideas although in the end, I tend to agree with Shelly. Provoking thought and debating dissenting ideas is a good thing. I don’t have to agree with someone to respect the logic and thought put into their ideas. Both Shelly and James have demonstrated they deserve the respect of not just responding with an insult. Thank you James for giving people both a place to simply vent and a place to share deeper thoughts.

Shelley said...

What can they do with their observations? Not much. They use them to groom young sycophants, to frighten sheep, to keep TeachNY & Co. working for free, to paper over their insecurities. The biggest thing you have to fear is fear. Fuck them. Push your chest out and walk with a swagger. Carry a lesson plan to every class, in your pocket, one only you can read. It is YOURS. Push back hard. Push hard and they will either back off or you will need to push harder. Bring in a vet colleague. Your chapter leader might be a kid or a fool or spy or scumbag. Get someone you trust. Get in their faces and push back.

They have more nasty tricks than observations. Low obs are really nothing to a vet teacher. sign them right away, write a rebuttal. Go home an relax. Look at your TDA balance and laugh.

James Eterno said...

There is no lockdown here TJL.

James Eterno said...

Weaponized Danielson can be more than an annoyance. They are used in dismissal hearings and the DOE does not care if the MOSL is effective. As Chaz pointed out, DOE charged many more educators since the Klein-Bloomberg days and it didn't slow down under de Blasio.

Shelley said...

But your not going to a dismissal hearing for low obs. They have nasty tricks that can get you to a dismissal hearing, yes, but that is really another matter. A rare thing, yes, more than an annoyance, a disgusting disgrace, a travesty of fair and professional arbitration, but they are very rare, and very few teachers ever get to one and those that do, when they fight, are back teaching again. No rubber room. Yes, the ATR agreement is a disgrace, the biggest on the list, but what I am saying is that too many teachers thin they can lose their jobs or be pushed out by low obs. No. That doesn't happen. There is a slow process and you can slow it down and fight it. There is too much fear of obs. Too much concern with obs, high and low. If you are high it's bullshit, if you are low it's bullshit, but teachers are now believing in these stupid things. They are meaningless.

James Eterno said...

The death rates in the USA are outrageously high. Hawaii and Vermont have the lowest death rates per 100,000 people. Florida is in the middle. NY has the second highest. 450,000 dead Americans is not acceptable to me. Our half assed lock downs and travel restrictions have failed. The degree of failure based on which party runs the local government is a generally meaningless comparison. There really have been no enforceable travel restrictions between states. We are one big country with a bipartisan failed COVID-19 response. That is obvious.

Source: https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/us-coronavirus-deaths-by-state-july-1.html

This was updated yesterday.

James Eterno said...

South Dakota has the fifth highest death rate.

Anonymous said...

Shelly, I don't know what world you are living in but observations are used to terminate veteran teachers. You say "Low observations are nothing to a vet teacher". Tell that to the hundreds of veteran teachers brought up on incompetency 3020a charges based solely on shitty observations.

Anonymous said...

I did a quick google search on flu virus. No idea if the sources I read were credible but I was curious about why the flu makes a comeback every year and where does the virus go when it’s not flu season. My simplistic understanding from what I read is that the virus hangs out in people and waits to rear its ugly head to spread. (I’m no science teacher as you can tell). So my question is this. If we all stayed home for a month wouldn’t the virus still be out there somewhere waiting to get us...like the flu? Anybody have a better understanding of general virus dormancy and spread? James, at what point would you end lockdowns? The horse is out of the barn so I’m talking about going forward. What if every time we locked down the virus started to spread within a month post lockdown? Lockdown again? Who’s ok with locking down a total of 3 to 5 months every year by locking down again and again. Ideally the country should have been completely shut down for 2 weeks last January when we first heard about the China virus. But going forward....I see the spread as inevitable....to a lesser extent if many get vaccinated.

James Eterno said...

I think you answered your question 11:59 although I too am no scientist. We vaccinate our way out of this. Scientists say we need a huge majority vaccinated to get to herd immunity. Right now we are racing against time to vaccinate enough people so the new variants won't spread wildly here. My guess is we will continue to mess up with half ass lockdowns but I hope I am wrong on that one.

James Eterno said...

I agree observations say very little about a teacher's ability in many cases but they are weaponized by certain administrators.

They 3020a and 3022d tenured teachers who have never been rated ineffective. Observations matter. As for how many of those teachers are terminated, I have not seen the data on terminations recently. Chaz used to get this data. We sure miss him.

Anonymous said...

11:59 Still going with calling it the China virus? really?

TJL said...

James and Shelly both have good points. I don't worry too much about the obs because it's pretty hard not to get the Effective when all is said and done. Even without obs, admin will find a way to get you out if they insist they want you out. Like any other job, there's a give and take with your boss. If you make it hard or undesirable to replace you, they won't. If you're as useful (to admin) as a newbie that costs half the price, then they'll want you out. You can make yourself valuable without nonsense like doing work for free or passing everyone.

My main issue is that Mulgrew throws his hands in the air and says the eval system is the law. However how is any of this valid in the HS, with school closed and with no Regents (so no "MOTP")? In my school admin is pushing "engagement" as mentioned by Mulgrew at the DA, yet the City forbids mandating attendance, and admin encourages or promotes non-attendance.

Anonymous said...

2:54. In January of 2020 I first became aware of a new coronavirus that originated in China. So yeah I’ll call it the China virus for as long as I see fit. I don’t feel the need to virtue signal toward the Chinese communist party.

Anonymous said...

TJL, consider yourself lucky that you don't worry much about observations. I have been a teacher in the DOE for over 20 years and for the past few years I have been getting by with effective ratings but only barely. I friggin' hate Danielson and I wish S/U would make a comeback like it did last year. However, you are right that Mulgoon has not even lifted a finger to try and waive observations this year. But then again, why does he even care? He and his Unity cronies are sitting at home right now collecting a DOE salary AND a UFT salary without having to worry about drive by observations. That scumbag makes me sick to my stomach and I hope to God that he reads these blogs/comments.

Anonymous said...

So, when will the vaccine become available for our scholars?

Anonymous said...

Agreed. It started in China. They just let inspectors in. A YEAR later. If it had started here nobody including many “Americans” would have a proble. Calling it the Boston flu or nyc flu. Cmon at least be honest about it.

Anon2323 said...

@2:54 are you stupid???? This came from wuhan lab in china. They owe our country at least 3 trillion and that should go to small businesses and struggling families.

Observations if happen should be S or NX. No need to damage any teacher over remote where kids have cameras off in most schools.

This was a plandemic, James the numbers are beyond inflated, cuomo basically killed seniors and drove death rates up to use a scare tactic.

Lets keep bailing out cuomo and diblasio for wasting billions of dollars and continue to give free diplomas like we give in the DOE, for basically doing nothing.

Anonymous said...

The China/Chinese virus is fine with me. The flu of 1918 has been called the Spanish flu for 102 years. In my 50 years of life, I never heard anyone complain about this and I am Spanish! Then there are West Nile virus, Ebola, Zika, and I am sure there are more illnesses named after locations where it is thought they originated; even though the Spanish flu was not from Spain.

The hypersensitivity is causing great strife in the US.

Shelley said...

On Saturday, February 06, 2021 @ 11:45:00 AM, an Anonymous poster says,
"hundreds of veteran teachers brought up on incompetency 3020a charges based solely on shitty observations."

I don't have the figures, but I know someone who does, so I'll look into it.

How many were removed from classroom, lost their jobs? Last time I looked at these figures the percentage was less than 1%

But I could be wrong about this. Maybe it has gotten worse, maybe better, don't know.

What I've seen is that observations don't much make any difference. What they do is they gang up on a teacher, using all manner of dirty tricks, including, using other teachers, students, parents, other employees in the building, alumni, and so on. The get inside people's heads, people with 30 years of satisfactory ratings and highly effective ratings are suddenly hit with ineffective and the teacher, who may have a file fat with praise and thanks you letters is said to be incompetent. The teacher folds, retires. Or transfers. That there is ageism is indisputable, so it's veteran teachers, higher salaried teachers who are targeted, and the vocal, the teachers who challenge Admins when they engage in union busting and abuse. But we know all this. What I am saying, and I've overstated the point, is that there is an obsession with observation scores and this plays in to the hands of the Admins.

BTW we did have some success when we forced our Admins to model lessons and when we observed them.



Anonymous said...

Lyme disease ...Lyme, Ct
Rocky Mtn.spotted fever from there,
Etc
Wuhan virus from Wuhan...bfd!

Anonymous said...

The origin of the Covid virus is not known for sure.
It has not beeen investigated until now.

The possibility that it was released form a laboratory near the Wuhan fresh market cannot be ruled out.

The Chinese government has not been transparent. It has forcefully prevented its citizens from discussing the origins of the virus that seems to have originated in Wuhan China.

The Wuhan fresh market outbreak was an early cluster of infected individuals.

There are known cases of infected individuals prior to the outbreak at the Wuhan fresh market. These earlier cases had no connection to the Wuhan fresh market.

Those are some of the known facts. You are entitled to your opinions no matter how wrong they might be. You are not entitled to your own facts.

Anonymous said...

Yes, it is ok to call it the Wuhan virus or Chinese virus, unless you are a very fragile individual who has trouble accepting the fact that it originated in Wuhan, China.

Anonymous said...

Knee jerk left reaction ooooohhhhh can't mention a nationality in the context of a virus. Fuck commie China and fuck American snowflakes. If it originated in NY I'd have no problem calling it the NY virus because I'm not an over sensitive snowflake who gives a fuck about being offended. And fuck Mulgrew too while I'm here.

Anonymous said...

Shelly, I still disagree with you. Yes, principals use all kinds of dirty tricks to target a veteran teacher. However, at a 3020a hearing, those tricks don't hold a lot of weight as they can be disproven or not allowed to be used if they are false allegations. However, two years of shitty observations, and you can be fired, plain and simple. You can try to challenge technical points in the observations but that is an uphill battle. I don't know if you were around back when we had S/U. I do and I loved it dearly as do all the other veteran teachers who were around back then. Danielson is a weapon and most vets know it.

waitingforsupport said...

@Anon2323...
And add:
People getting paid to do nothing;
People who live by "do as i say,not as I do";
People who throw stones at windows and then yell when their windows are hit.
Let's keep the division going, it can only help the country. Side f%^king eye

waitingforsupport said...

@10:16 am...
Knee jerk right reaction is just as bad. Who's surprised by the divisiveness and camp mentality? Not I.

Anonymous said...

Still no proof of origin. Not that it really matters since this is global. But it does show that Chinese scientists were able to identify a new virus before the rest of the world, even though there is clear indication it was circulating here at the same time and US scientists were unable to figure that out. Hmmm guess US science education is lagging behind

Anonymous said...

Cool. Let's call smallpox the White colonizer virus.

Anonymous said...

The issue is the scapegoating. By pointing fingers, we mentally alleviate ourselves from responsibility. Classic American trait, blame the other. We have to realize that the virus is a problem here, unlike in China, where they acted in unity and stopped the spread.

Anonymous said...

Anon2323 Q, China resides over 1trillion in US debt. This is a debtor nation since Reagan. We owe them buddy. ;)

Anonymous said...

They reported it to the WHO in 2019. Shared the genetic sequence in Jan 2020. WHO worked with China CDC that whole time.

Anon2323 said...

@ waiting like impeaching the president, like what liberal media has done for 4 years of lies and smears, like Maxine watters saying trump should be tried for murder, like big tech canceling all on the right and nobody on left, like taking down parlor, like bashing trump supporters as white supremacists, like allowing blm/anitfa cause 2 billion damages with no repercussion, like using race card and defunding police.

Give me a break.

eric said...

Why do we keep hearing about jan 6 but never about last summer? Why only white supremacy and never blm/antifa? Which did more damage? What do floyd, gray, garner, blake, taylor all have in common? Made heroic while living a life of crime. No double standard...?

Anonymous said...

12:25. China consistently refused to take blame for the virus and also blamed the us military. And WHO asked to be permitted to inspect the labs early on and just got permission. And btw we don’t know what China’s numbers truly are because they very well could be hiding them.

waitingforsupport said...

@eric....
They all were MURDERED by police officers.

waitingforsupport said...

@anon2323
I hate double standards. Trump built his weaka%$ muscles by berating Obama for 8 years. Now all of the sudden he cries that the liberal media didn't support his efforts. Puhlese. That coward just can't take what he dishes out. Terrified people love the term "'race card". Many of Thump's supporters are racist cowards---wtf are you saying.
I find the confederate flag as offensive as a swastika is to a Jewish person. Got it!

waitingforsupport said...

@eric...
Why do we keep hearing about jan 6?
Why? Omg

Anonymous said...

No comment about 2 billion dollars in damage last summer, cops killed, businesses burned down, looting, rioting?

Well, no, they weren't murdered, they were all criminals and committing crime.

Floyd was full of drugs with counterfeit money and a convicted felon.
Garner had 40 arrests.
Blake, a rapist, convicted felon, had a weapon and was refusing to comply. And admitted he should've stopped.
Taylor had a history of drug dealer boyfriends, had drilling money in the apartment and cops were getting shot at.
Gray was a repeat drug dealer to the black youth you claim is so important.

Maybe if those felons were eliminated the college grad rate would rise in the black community would stop with the blame game. But don't worry, I'm sure Biden will cure all the ills just as Obams did. Who ya gonna blame in 2024?

eric said...

Yes, why? How do you pick and choose that single event over the riots that are still going on 10 months later?

Anonymous said...

FBI raiding homes of Trump supporters who were not inside Capitol, including DEA agent who had gun & credentials confiscated. But most case files read: "Interviewed, participated in 1st A activities, closed." Same scrutiny not applied to Antifa/BLM agitators who were there.

Nice double standard, again.

Anonymous said...

San Fran School Board Vice President Alison Collins has declared meritocracy to be racist even in the selection of students at advanced or gifted programs. Educators are increasingly denouncing such selection based on academic performance are racism... https://jonathanturley.org/2021/02/07/we-cannot-mince-words-san-francisco-education-official-denounces-meritocracy-as-racist/

Anonymous said...

Wow the uft Trumpers on here are the worst. Anti union pro laziness anti education. They are most despicable of all. Fuck all of you.

Anonymous said...

Wait a minute 1027 Trump supporters pro laziness and anti Education? Trump supporters want schools open. Not exactly indicative of laziness or anti education. Biden and Harris agreed with Trump all along. They too want schools open. So what's the problem? Our woke chancellor never wanted schools to close. I defer to his decision because only the woke truly know what's good for schools. Open schools. Denying NYC kids the same open schools as rich white kids is racist. Don't challenge Carranza. He knows what's best. If you disagree with him it's because of his skin color and you are a racist. Only racists want to keep kids of color out of school.

Anonymous said...

The argument against vaccine passports is growing

"“The vaccines in the U.S. right now have not proven that they decrease transmission, so the patient may still get mild or asymptomatic versions of the disease and they may then be able to transmit it,” says Carlos Acuna-Villaorduna, an infectious-diseases physician at Boston Medical Center. “We also don’t know how long [vaccine] immunity lasts, so a vaccine or immunity passport could possibly give you a false perception of security from the virus that you might not have after a number of months.”"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2021/01/22/passport-vaccine-covid-flights-international/

waitingforsupport said...

@eric
Because 5 people including a police officer were murdered by those terrorists who were taking back America.
The topic of this post is about Covid and YOU ask "why do we keep hearing about jan 6".
Stay on topic

waitingforsupport said...

This sh@$ in the US isn't surprising to many people. The writing has been on the wall for far too long. Get your "woke" pills here...woke pills for sale. Ha ha ha ha ha

waitingforsupport said...

@8:54pm...so if the same scrutiny is paid to Antifa and BLM as is paid to White supremacists you will be happier? Please tell me you are not a teacher.

waitingforsupport said...

@8:37pm...
I think you could benefit from some "woke" pills. It will prepare you for the future.

waitingforsupport said...

@8:37pm...you're really concerned about the grad rate in the black community. I think the white community needs your help. This country has been controlled by white men since it was stolen from the indigenous people. Look where we are today: la la land. Fake superiority. It's all in the mind. Look outside your window. There are chickens have come home to roost. Own your sh$/. It's the first step to getting better.
Just saying.
PS: This is still America right? Those men had a RIGHT to be judged by a jury of their peers and not by Barney Fifes of the world. Usa. Usa. Usa.
Hell yeah demonstrations and protests took place. Who the f^% will tolerate an agency killing an innocent person? Only some NYC teachers will tolerate being treated like sh$# and fight back by blogging and berating people who fight back. Foolishness. I'm not surprised. I've met too many watered down teachers in my career who reeked of ignorance. I just played right along with them. However I knew who they were and they knew who they were. Even the students knew who they were.

Shelley said...

Sunday, February 07, 2021 10:43:00 AM says,

Shelly, I still disagree with you. Yes, principals use all kinds of dirty tricks to target a veteran teacher. However, at a 3020a hearing, those tricks don't hold a lot of weight as they can be disproven or not allowed to be used if they are false allegations. However, two years of shitty observations, and you can be fired, plain and simple. You can try to challenge technical points in the observations but that is an uphill battle. I don't know if you were around back when we had S/U. I do and I loved it dearly as do all the other veteran teachers who were around back then. Danielson is a weapon and most vets know it.

Most of my career was under the old S and U system. Much better, yes, but what if at the end of the year when you went to the office to get your rating it was a U? Shock! Now what? In one of my early years they screwed up and said, though I had prefect attendance, that I was absent some 6 times and late 12 times. I was never late or absent. Never got that fixed.

How many, someone said hundred, teachers, someone here claims it was hundreds, have been fired for two years of ineffective ratings?

I don't fear low observations. Of course, I'm retiring so I don't fear anything. BUt I never have. Always stood up to bullies. Just me. I can't stand people who abuse power and I love teachers so ...but there is too much, irrational fear of low obs in my humble opinion, it weakens us.

This is a useful article:

https://www.the74million.org/article/investigation-nyc-tried-to-fire-154-teachers-for-incompetence-or-misconduct-75-were/

Anonymous said...

No mention of police office, David Dorn, who was also black, murdered during a blm riot.

waitingforsupport said...

@644...
You really are clueless about "woke" but it is hilarious reading your use of the word. Good luck

Anonymous said...

Lol w4s. So why is the black community having all these problems? 8 years of Obama. Dems control everything again. Ny has the most liberal mayor in the country. Yet, the only way to get anywhere is to eliminate tests and give meritless grades. Says a lot.

James Eterno said...

Pre Bloomberg there were less than 100 3020a hearings per year according to Chaz. Now about 400 per year and one teacher, if we are to believe the numbers which I do, was exonerated.

Many schools with decent administrators haven't gone for a 3020a in years so yes this can be scary if you are in a building with a vindictive administration.

Anonymous said...

So I guess testing and safety are gone again if middle schools are open

waitingforsupport said...

@1005
Lol...the black community having all these problems? Have you been in an alternate universe? The USA is a JOKE. You do not know US history. You probably know what is in our US books but it's fake or misleading at best.
The USA is having ALL these problems. Hell the government doesn't even respect you--a teacher. You seem to think this is a dem/rep problem. You think it's white/black?
You really need to expand your circle and learn more about your world.

waitingforsupport said...

@10:05...
if you really want to be a help and a not hindrance talk with your colleagues who GIVE meritless grades. Quiet as it's kept, it's Not students who are giving grades. It's Not admin who are giving these so called merit less grades.
PS. Not all students who fail or don't do your schoolwork are incapable. Hell I know some colleagues who are dumb as turkeys.

Anonymous said...

Ok, so they aren't incapable, they just choose not to do the work? That means they are lazy bums.

Anonymous said...

Maybe speaking and writing proper English would be useful for students.

waitingforsupport said...

@2:19pm...
Ha ha ha ha ha...
Lazy bums! There are alot of lazy bums around. Ha ha ha ha.

waitingforsupport said...

@223pm...
Try selling that! I mean
the last president did well enough without both of skills.

Anonymous said...

Perhapsm while fawning over 1/6, you also missed the inmates destroying the jail a few days ago lighting in on fire, flooding it, breaking windows...Cori Bush praised this. Bush leads one of the most crime infested, least educated and poorest districts in the country. Why was that destruction acceptable?

waitingforsupport said...

I know many Educated teachers who live in low crime communities. They continuously and willingly contribute to the destruction of our country. They then turn around and bash the least educated and poor. They wont take a stand for their own lives but knock people who do. Mediocracy is what we celebrate. Mediocracy. Money. Law and order. Hey it's the American way

Anonymous said...

I'm sure you would have a problem with this..

THE FIX IS IN: Right after the election, Hunter Biden retained criminal defense lawyer Chris Clark. Then, one day after he took office, Joe Biden installed Clark's law partner to head the Justice Department's Criminal Division investigating his son

Anonymous said...

Since this is about covid, do you have a problem with people prancing through the border without a covid test, without ID...

James Eterno said...

Border should be closed in the pandemic and truly enforced.

Anonymous said...

Perhaps you should tell Randi, Joe and Kamala that...

Anonymous said...

Hahaha W4s I took my woke pills. I’m in the club now and agree with woke Carranza and DeBlasio. Lazy bums want to keep children of color out of school. Only the racists here want to deny these children the same high grades that white suburban kids are getting. The arrogance of the privileged who think their grade policy is better than woke Carranza’s policy is hahaha funny. Carranza is 100% right. Open schools and give theses kids high grades. Only lazy bums and racists disagree with Carranza. I don’t think you know what woke is because it’s not in line with Carranza’s wokeness. What do you have against Hispanic males that makes you disagree with Carranza? I think you need to expand your circle and include men like Carranza. Maybe then you’ll agree with him and want schools open and kids to get high grades. Praying for you.

waitingforsupport said...

@1:23pm...
Thanks for the prayer. I do love God.

Anonymous said...

Covid test to fly, quarantine for driving and flying.but just walk in no questions asked.i hate this Pre already for other reasons.people will wish for Trump.Fools get what they deserve for voting for Blipping Biden and thinking he is for the people. Between all the lousy politicians and so called uft leaders, we need to pray hard.oh, mandate vax, but let the gangsta in...the stroke of a pen ruins 4 years of america first.gotta stop writing cuz I'm getting more upset.

Anonymous said...

Oh, and I am not a middle school teacher, but let's see if there is a surge after middle schools open.but even so, they wouldnt close anyway.i read that vaccinated folks are getting covid.so now we will have more asymptomatic transmission cuz people will barely realize they are ill.