US life expectancy has fallen to the lowest level seen since 1996, continuing a steep decline largely driven by the Covid-19 pandemic.
Government data showed life expectancy at birth now stands at 76.1 compared to 79 in 2019. That is the steepest two-year decline in a century.
Covid-19 was the main contributing factor, according to US Centres for Disease Control and Prevention data.
Life expectancy of Native Americans and Alaska Natives fell by two years.
According to the provisional data, life expectancy fell by 2.7 years between 2019 and 2021.
The statistics show that Covid-19 accounted for 50% of the decline between 2020 and 2021. Between 2019 and 2020, the pandemic contributed to 74% of the decline.
COVID is the main cause but some of the declines in life expectancy in the United States could very well be attributed to the U.S. being the only wealthy country without universal healthcare. We had been kind of stagnant on life expectancy for a few years and then the pandemic led to the dramatic fall.
Norm over at Ed Notes specifically blames no Medicare for All for part of the cause of the decline. He also does a deep dive into how Medicare Advantage (privatized Medicare for seniors) is enriching insurance companies while shortchanging patients.
City municipal worker retirees successfully fought off privatizing Medicare for New York City retired municipal workers. We said no to Mulgrewcare (Medicare Advantage Plus) but the battle is not nearly over.
We must resist any healthcare givebacks in this round of collective bargaining for active workers and retirees.
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Based on personal experience, I would say medical coverage right now overall is a mess. Finding and keeping a decent primary physician,
getting reasonable, covered preventative care, sometimes just getting anything reasonable and covered. It’s a mess. Unless you want to shell out in a major way, in a way most could not afford.
This is partly due to overwhelming violent crime and murder.
When murder is up such a high percent…those people are certainly dying earlier than they would otherwise.
Where is your evidence that the increased murder rate is playing a key role in the declining US life expectancy?
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/life-expectancy-in-the-u-s-has-dropped-and-its-not-just-due-to-covid-19#The-bottom-line
A new report finds U.S. life expectancy declined significantly in 2021, with Native Americans and non-Hispanic whites most affected.
The biggest contributors to this decline are COVID-19 and drug overdoses, the report found.
Experts say this report uses provisional data, and it could take years to break this down to arrive at the most accurate conclusions.
The Healthline piece links to the CDC report. Data shows that COVID is much more likely to end your life and lead to lower life expectancy in this country than homicide. Can we at least agree on that?
My issue with that is covid causes death, primarily, for really old and/or really sick. A toddler or an 18 year old can be murdered. And that happens all the time.
Those murders while tragic are not a major part of what is causing the dramatic decrease in life expectancy in this country.
According to the CDC it looks like 1) COVID, 2) Accidental drug overdose (fentanyl, opioids) and 3) Suicide. It also mentioned something about the decline for Native Americans liver disease, cirrhosis, obesity.
COVID was by far and away number 1.
Perhaps, but people are getting murdered at record rates before their natural time of death.
Record rates? Not true.
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/myths-and-realities-understanding-recent-trends-violent-crime
These increases in crime rates are serious on their own terms and should not be trivialized. Nationally, though, they do not return us to the high crime rates of the early 1990s. Between 1991 and 2014, the national murder rate plummeted by more than 50 percent, from 9.8 to 4.4 killings per 100,000 people. By comparison, the murder rate for 2020 stood at around 6.5 — a rate last seen in the late 1990s but still well below the high point of the last quarter century. The rate of violent crimes per 100,000 people in 2020 has been relatively flat, comparable to the rate last seen a decade prior in 2010.
Fentanyl is more lethal and insidious than Covid in that it can be avoided and eradicated - if our government would do something to stop it. It is not, which makes me think it actually wants those unfortunate people - those who have a pre-disposition to drug addiction regardless of race or income - to die.
1. Covid caused people to postpone regular medical check ups for 2+years.
2. Variations in life expectancy can also be linked to access/lack of access to affordable/free health care...
So now the government is letting the poor whites die. Alway a conspiracy.
It would be interesting to see a breakdown of demographics based on income levels. What are the life expectancies for the lower, middle and upper classes? It's sad in this country that if you have more money you get better healthcare.
Low income minorities also more likely to be murdered, causing shorter lifespan.
Stats show that is not what drove the decline.the decline.
Drugs, as mentioned above, are pouring over the border unnecessarily. Many young people are dying from that.
I recently learned that one's zip code greatly determines variables in American life expectancy.
Check it out.
https://www.rwjf.org/en/library/interactives/whereyouliveaffectshowlongyoulive.html
625, someone needs to use the (demand) drugs. Hand me a crack pipe and I'll pass thank u.
Back to school Covid policies.
https://www.silive.com/education/2022/09/nyc-2022-2023-school-year-which-coronavirus-policies-remain-in-place.html?outputType=amp
Anon 2323, I will print your comment if you reveal your sources for your statistics that I will check. No spouting out wild numbers without some reliable sources. Please, nothing that can't be easily debunked.
Covid 19 obviously had a more recent effect on life expectancy but drug addiction has been on the rise for decades, especially opioid addiction. Murder is also on the rise which would affect those statistics. Something not considered often but should be in the reliance on processed foods which are extremely harmful and cause cancer and heart disease. What you will begin to see in the next decade, is the increase in cancer and overdose deaths due to marijuana addiction because of the legalization in many states and less effective healthcare system.
Washington Post...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/homicide-is-pandemics-biggest-killer-of-young-black-men/2022/02/22/2d9e4ef6-93e0-11ec-bb31-74fc06c0a3a5_story.html
If "defund the police" was really causing the deaths of more blacks, Fox News would be all for it. I really think that's why they were so against taking COVID seriously, word got out early on that blacks were more likely to die from it. The elderly were dispensible and would just become casualties of the COVID wars. I remember Republicans on television saying they had lived their lives and we should not risk the economy for them. It then became so ironic that so many who were so vocal against taking it seriously died from it. I wonder how many people on this blog caught it. I never caught it even when everyone in my building was out sick with it (or saying they were out sick with it). Strange how Anon2323 is always claiming that people don't get sick from even though the blog host who he seems to have admired died from it.
Here is the Media Bias-Fact Check on one of the sources someone tried to sneak past tonight:
"Right Biased and Questionable based on the publication of pseudoscience and the promotion of propaganda and conspiracy theories, as well as numerous failed fact checks."
I am not promoting this stuff here.
Please don't waste your time and mine.
Thanks.
Why the hell are they not demanding the boosters? That is crazy! Where is our union?
Name the "unreliable " sources.
The Post was on decreased life expectancy in the US in 2020 and 2021 which is verifiable easily and the piece adds on our need to be strong about maintaining strong health benefits.
Murders had very little to do with that decrease in life expectancy, nor did Democrats running cities.
Back to the Brennan Center piece cited earlier:
"Murders rose in cities nationwide and jurisdictions of all types. Relative to 2019, the number of murders jumped by more than 30 percent in the largest cities and by 20 percent in places designated by the FBI as “suburban” — cities with fewer than 50,000 inhabitants that are within a Metropolitan Statistical Area. Murders rose by comparable levels in rural areas too — an important fact that is only now beginning to receive press attention.
"Despite politicized claims that this rise was the result of criminal justice reform in liberal-leaning jurisdictions, murders rose roughly equally in cities run by Republicans and cities run by Democrats. So-called “red” states actually saw some of the highest murder rates of all. This data makes it difficult to pin recent trends on local policy shifts and reveals the basic inaccuracy of attempts to politicize a problem as complex as crime. Instead, the evidence points to broad national causes driving rising crime."
The COVID deniers/minimizers basically can't back up much of anything with reputable sources. Let's get some basics we can see right in front of us and go from there.
COVID had a great deal to do with the decrease in life expectancy and we need to protect our healthcare. That is my view.
Debate on the topics posted is welcome. Easily debunked nonsense is not. I guess this is the ICEBlog Overton Window.
There were about half a million COVID deaths in 2021 - and none that we know of in 2019.
There were what, 25,000 murders in 2021, up from? 14,000 in 2019?
500,000 extra deaths from COVID, maybe 11,000 extra deaths from murder.
The impact on longevity is not quite as extreme as that, not 50:1, because murder victims, on average, were likely younger than COVID victims. But there should be no doubt that COVID caused the bulk of the decline. How could there be? Half a million deaths, the vast majority of which whom would have survived for many more years.
But in the face of such a huge number of deaths that would not have otherwise occurred, what are we to make of 1:24, 1:38, 2:14, 2:27, 2:58? What should we call people who we know are proposing theories we know - and they should know - are false?
Jonathan
11:20 had to be a fauci worshipper thinking we should be made to get boosters. Stop. Please. Go live your life!
By the way, I had vivid twice after getting booster shot. Im done w shots now.
Go wait for your variant specific booster with your fauci bobble head.
It should not be a surprise that life expectancy has fallen. Has anyone ever thought that perhaps Americans are unhealthy physically and mentally? CoVid should have opened our eyes to about our poor health but no, we would rather rely on vaccines, boosters and the "experts."
Americans don't want to curb the unhealthy lifestyles. We love our fast foods, processed foods, sugar filled foods, overeating, alcohol, recreational drugs, social media, promiscuity, debauchery, sitting, comfort, immediate gratification, preference for medications instead of prevention, etc.
I also believe that we have health agencies and pharmaceutical companies that, for monetary and political reasons, are corrupt and flat out lie to people. There is a lot of money to be made from unhealthy people. These agencies and companies only care about the profits, not the people.
In simple terms, when Americans get sore or pained from sitting for hours, they get a more comfortable chair. As long as we keep this mind set, we will continue to be unhealthy.
Very well said 7:41 AM! Heart disease and cancer are still the leading causes of death. I agree will everything you said except for the marijuana. I don't think it causes illness.
Did you stay out of the hospital or morgue, 6:21? Then your booster probably worked. Fauci and the rest admitted after seeing data that shots aren't very good at stopping infections with variants but they do help with preventing serious disease and death.
And how does this decline in US life expectancy compare with other nations in 2021?
And these things are more prevalent in the minority community.
LOL! 7:41 has a NAME!!!
Sorry Jennifer
6:21 you didn't really take that poster serious did you?
So, because covid is more, the others don’t count?
8:56 a very good friend of mine, otherwise very healthy died from lung cancer from smoking marijuana. He didn't smoke anything else. He was in his early 40s.
Obesity—especially in the United States has to be a major contributing cause as well. Too many people have become inactive and just plain lazy—even in the pre-pandemic days.
Yes. Name the unreliable sources.
Let’s ban everything but lean meat and veggies. No mercury seafood either. Overdoses are the number one cause of death for 18-45 year olds. Vaccine comes with risk too. (France. Moderna. Under 40. )Freedom of choice. Abortions, vaccines, drugs, fast food. All choices that free people should be allowed to make. No boosters for me. No shots or masks for my kids. They refused as did others in their peer group. Schools know which parents they can mess with and which ones will make their lives a living hell.
9:00,
I’m glad I got the shots(I won’t call them a vaccine). But, it should be a person’s choice. Period.
We are not publicizing those sites that fail the fact checks. People can find them for themselves.
How many times has cnn and msnbc said or posted incorrect info?
Many but they are often willing to own up to it and MSNBC doesn't hide their corporate Democrat bias. We usually let the Fox stuff go here.
This certainly causes untimely death.
CBP reports two more significant fentanyl busts at the Nogales, AZ port of entry.
- 35,000 fentanyl pills found hidden in the air intake of a motorcycle.
- 2,300 colored fentanyl pills, 12,000 traditional blue fentanyl pills in truck.
Wait, are you talking about the Lancet article?
Well he also loudly stated that the natural immunity is the best.
And yet, we are here.
They have ALWAYS been unhealthy.
Did union work on inciting everyone join Gym?
Did he have the shots and the booster?
So, are only CNN, msnbc, fox are reliable sources?
My doctors are not?
...I did not noticed CNN accept their false info. Are they doing it to you confidentially? How do I subscribe to such service. Tired of making life altering errors under their guidance.
Working for the DOE lowers your life expectency too.
12:06
Are you crazy? Personal choice? Now, after we supported firing 1400 doe staff for not wanting it?
You better stand up for another thousand, slated to be fired this fall, James Eterni, the union warrior. Not.
If the source can pass a Media Bias-Fact Check review, we usually post unless it is way off topic or when Media Bias Fact Check is not familiar with it and then we dig further. Plenty of reliable sources. Try .edu too and you can post scholarly research.
Jonathan, provide the references. We are not interested in you quoting yourself.
2:08, some of my former colleagues stayed out of the hospital and the morgue...
And they were not vaxxed. Their symptoms, for the most part, were lighter than mine. Both times. That is after the boosters.
Why is it they are not working any longer?
What is it I was forced to take my shots for?
ROFLMAO @ 2:13
2:10 it was before COVID. I responded to a comment about Marijuana not being harmful. Lol
217, who is we? not everyone was like you and supported the firing.
He is quoting the study referred to earlier.
217,
Don’t put words in my mouth. In fact, I believe anyone who lost their job should be brought back with back pay.
I have supported choice from the get go.
I support all medical choices.
If I didn’t have bills and could afford to lose my job, I don’t think I would have gotten the shot(it’s not a vaccine).
No I am not talking about thr Lancet article 2:06.
My source is Scientific American. 4:06.
Over 65 years old it is 9.29 COVID deaths per 100,000 for unvaccinated in the USA. It is .55 deaths per 100,000 for vaccinated and boosted. Would you like to do other age groups?
That is a 2022 story.
https://www-scientificamerican-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-to-compare-covid-deaths-for-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated-people/?amp=true&_gsa=1&_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16624096801488&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.scientificamerican.com%2Farticle%2Fhow-to-compare-covid-deaths-for-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated-people%2F
Oh, yeh? Did you EVER let the UFT or James, this site's -king, know that that was the wrong thing to do? Maybe twitted to uft to get the members back?
Following this place for two years- little to no "peep" here. All , but few "trolls", are always in unison. Those "trolls" are, probably, the once you tacitly approved being labeled as the "bad apples"
Yeh. Sure. Bills.
United we stand. Right, James Eterno?
We all kept the shirt on our own skin.
https://www.bmj.com/content/378/bmj.o1731/rr-0
For the guy who asked about Peter Dosi who I think meant Peter Doshi, I agree there should be transparency on sharing data on trials with vaccines and we should not be relying on companies alone.
That said, this post was on Covid deaths as the leading cause of declining life expectancy in the USA which is pretty well documented and the need to maintain our health benefits.
It seems people want to comment on anything else. Anything to divide us I guess. If you can't talk about the topic and discuss the topic, then please go somewhere else.
Thank you again. This is the second request. Next time it is shut down.
US life expectancy is 76. Average life expectancy for wealthy countries is 80. Nobody has fucked up the pandemic response more than us. See why we need Medicare 4 All.
World Bank is my source.
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.LE00.IN
Deffinetly, if you are still on the job.
You have been rewarded with your job in exchange for a short retirement.
Sorry, James. I did mean Peter Doshi, but the newest peer reviewed paper from 8/31/22:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X22010283
Jonathan, Do nothing. Free people decide what’s proven, plausible, credible,unbelievable, maybe true, probably false etc…
519, who are you talking to?
Instead of saying crime and murder is up, you say it's at record rates which is false. Why ruin your own argument?
A lot of turmoil in the world, in the City. You are in need, in many ways. Don’t forget it. Stay safe, stay well, as much as you can control. Take care of all loved ones. Peace.
A rose by any other name is still a rose.
Everyone has bills and can't afford to lose their jobs. Some of us stood up for what we believed in.
I wrote: "in the face of such a huge number of deaths that would not have otherwise occurred, what are we to make of 1:24, 1:38, 2:14, 2:27, 2:58? What should we call people who we know are proposing theories we know - and they should know - are false?"
And an AT at 621 wrote "Jonathan, Do nothing. Free people decide what’s proven, plausible, credible, unbelievable, maybe true, probably false etc…"
Of course, I hadn't suggested doing anything. I asked what to call people who are actively proposing theories they know are false.
Jonathan
I wrote: "There were about half a million COVID deaths in 2021 - and none that we know of in 2019. There were what, 25,000 murders in 2021, up from? 14,000 in 2019? 500,000 extra deaths from COVID, maybe 11,000 extra deaths from murder."
An AT at 4:01 demanded "Jonathan, provide the references. We are not interested in you quoting yourself."
My response is, simply, "no."
All the numbers are easy to locate. I will not accommodate this time wasting troll (or trolls? who is "we"?)
Jonathan
"Essential worker " has lost its meaning with NYC city and state .
Isn’t this something—Decline in US life expectancy along with a national decline in reading and math scores. So, does that mean there will be less people around that are currently students in 2022–that will actually be capable of reading about these developments and actually be able to do the math—say in 40 to 50 years into the future?
NYTimes Morning Consult poll:
Americans give the Democrats significantly higher marks, according to The Times’s latest Covid poll, which was conducted by Morning Consult:
Based on a survey of 2,212 adults in August 2022. | Source: Morning Consult:
Which party handled COVID better overall?
Democrats: 45%
Republicans: 32%
This finding runs through multiple questions in the poll. When pollsters gave respondents a list of adjectives and asked which ones applied to each party, more adults described the Democratic approach as protective, decisive, practical and trustworthy. More respondents said that the words irresponsible and neglectful applied to the Republican Party.
On most of these questions, the gap tended to hover around 10 percentage points — a sign that most Americans still do prefer their own political party’s approach to Covid.
By ideology
Which party handled COVID better?
Liberal:
Democrats 82% Republicans 10%
Moderate
Democrats 49% Republicans 21%
Conservative
Democrats 12% Republicans 69%
You all are just cheering for your team.
The damage from the Times:
I think these views are grounded in reality. Regular readers know that I’ve been tough on some parents of the liberal approach to Covid. Many liberal communities kept schools closed for months on end, which harmed children, and some progressives have downplayed the mental-health damage from pandemic disruption and isolation.
But the Republican Party’s overall approach has departed from scientific reality much more. During the pandemic’s early weeks, President Donald Trump, in one of his many false statements about Covid, predicted, “I think the numbers are going to get progressively better as we go along.”
Since then, Republican political leaders and media figures have spoken so negatively about the vaccines that about 30 percent of Republican adults still have not received a shot. The vaccine gap, tragically, has resulted in a much higher Covid death rate in conservative parts of the country.
These numbers fit in perfectly with this comment board. Liberals who are very COVID cautious and conservatives who see a conspiracy behind every government move.
We call them commenters, Jonathan.
I don’t believe the COVID statistics. Our institutions that track such data have zero credibility. They blew it. So telling me there are half a million COVID deaths means nothing. Maybe it’s right. Maybe it’s wrong. Maybe it’s half that. Nothing they say is believable anymore because too many of them were more concerned about convincing us they were right and shutting down dissent than actually being right and transparent.
These stats are interesting. What would be really interesting is to delve into the life expectancy of a New York City teacher. The statisticians should look at the life expectancy before the 2005 contract and after the 2005 contract. I could guarantee that creative joint venture took about five years off thanks to Randi and Bloomy. Then look at the Bloomberg years with Klein - take another five years off. For every September and May heatwave take a couple of months off - if you don’t have air conditioning which they will scream from the high heavens that you have even while you were passing out from heat stroke. For every overcrowded class take two weeks off (your life expectancy). Is it any wonder so many teachers drop dead at their desks or shortly after retirement? We retirees are all living on borrowed time. (i’m only half joking, of course.) Welcome back to another wonderful school year.
We can also call them liars, Jonathan, or propagandists.
Teachers drop dead at their desks? No, seriously? Good idea about doing that kind of analysis
I went to lunch with former colleagues over a year ago. One is a Trumpie. She maintained that no one was really dying of Covid and more people died of the flu - she claimed half a million a year. I pointed out it was more like 30K. She quietly went to her phone to prove me wrong and then went silent. I'm sure she came up with an alt explanation for phony covid stats -- they classify everyone who dies as a covid death. But when we point out the increase in deaths in 20, 21, etc over past years they refute it or change the subject. Arguing with Trumpies is like walking on slick floors.
My article on life expectancy, which was cut somehow by the FBI or someone in the deep state has been restored. https://ednotesonline.blogspot.com/2022/09/our-life-expectancy-falls-lack-of.html
5:19. Yes you can call them that. Which results in the other side doing the same and then it’s just name calling back and forth. Fine. If that’s what readers of this blog want, I’m in. You’re a liar and a propagandist and some other very bad things.
Except his question was "what should we call people who are proposing theories who we know, and they should know, are false" and I responded to that. Not even sure if I agree that its false but IF they know its false and still propose the theory, then yes, they're.a liar and propagandist. Not comparable to you randomly calling people names. That just sounds like juvenile "I'm rubber, you're glue"
Speaking of life expectancy, how did everyone survive their first couple of days with Admin? Anything special?
LOL @ "one is Trumpie".
LOL @ "Trumpie". Yep
Lol.
741, the fbi is likely to go after your "trumpie" friend, not you.
On the other side: wasn't that good to have an open conversation about it? I bet you could learn more from other "trumpies", who are better prepared to refute your information. And that is good, as long as there is a dialog.
On a happier note, there are less Republicans and conservatives teaching kids!
Sorry - Trumpette - I neglected gender.
Life expectancy in the doe has to do w one thing…the principal. Most important part of the job.
They set the tone and culture and can make the job tolerable or miserable.
Union is great, time off is nice, but give me a fair principal all day.
9:46 You say they’re false. Others say it’s truth. So if I say true and you say false, you’re a liar and a propagandist… using your logic.
Today someone tried posting a link to a study from a so called journal. A quick Google search revealed it was a "Quack Journal" for anti vaxxers.
This seems to be a new tactic as this is the second such post from what looks like an academic site and then we dig a bit and find it really isn't.
It astonishes me the lengths some people will go to post on this dissident UFT blog. Why?
Are our readers and me that important to get through to? I can assure you I don't matter as much as you think I do. It is just a blog.
12:46, We get the joke but this is really scary stuff that plays out here constantly.
You're illogical and petty. haven't commented on whether it's true or false. I responded in a facetious way to a question,, that if they know its false what would you call them? You can drag this all day long, but yeah, call me what you want. I'll just call you ridiculous and rattled over nothing. And thats the truth.
812 thinks alternative facts is the same as truth
Well, yeah, DUH 9:46, but no one but you is crying about it.
Lol @ "Quack Journal". There's a few quackers, rather "commenters", right on this thread.
5:16 was supposed to be to 8:12 am, not 9:46. Why is anyone posting at 8:12am? Don't you people have to go to work at a school in the morning, or are you not teachers? That would explain a lot.
12:46 EXACTLY! That is definitely the bright side of things. The silver lining. Be like the poster who says they pretend to be woke. Just pretend to be broken up about it. Too bad, so sad, they're gone.
Yes but they get pressure and directives from Supt and those in Supt office
I would like to know if there is a list of “representatives “ who are on board with switching us to the insurance company handout they are forcing on us. Overall there is no cost savings, just creeping privatization of Medicare. The per person payout of Medicare funds is greater for those on part C with the additional funding and cuts in medical care money going to the insurance provider. It’s what happens when the politicians are more concerned with corporations than actual people, and our unions are willing to throw away years of bargaining for a few percent higher salaries and no chance of getting those benefits back again.
Washington Post?
?!?!?!? Eiwwu!
Why not? And why was it removed from here?
Common, dude. This is NOT a peer reviewed article! And it is quite old (7/7!): there is smth new every day!
Did you read Peter Doshi's peer reviewed article from September '22. James had the link somewhere in this thread....quite a different picture there...
Actually, as of recent, it is cardio/ vascular and neurological causes.
Jonathan, stop your tantrum. Here is for you (Taken from the post a few ones above):
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X22010283
Ask those who lost their jobs.
Maybe Trumpx?
They should have gotten vaccinated and they wouldn't have lost their jobs. Vaccination requirement, unless you have an exemption of some sort, is not a new thing in this country.
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