Tuesday, July 21, 2020

LIVE BLOGGING FROM MULGREW VIRTUAL TOWN HALL

The person who put me on the call said that what I missed in Mulgrew's Report because I got in late (not easy connecting) was this basically:

We will be fully remote or 60% remote in the fall. The fourteen-day average for positive testing to reopen school buildings needs to be less than 5% positive. We are now at around 1% positive. However, so much needs to be done to be able to get it right to open up safely. 

When I was put on, which was toward the end of President Mulgrew's report, Mulgrew was talking about preparing for remote learning or blended learning. He said there would have to be childcare whether buildings were opened or not. This is not about just children, it is about us. We will continue to be responsible. We will have to call the question by the end of August or the beginning of September. We have to see if there is a plan and if it will work. 

Questions:

Question: Medical accommodation, if you have any of the conditions, can it be denied? Will you still be attached to your school if working fully remote?

Mulgrew Answer: If you have a medical accommodation, you stay on the Table of Organization of your school. DOE has not said no to anyone with documentation. No excessing if you have accommodation.

Question: What progress has been made in hiring school nurses?
Answer: There has to be a nurse in every school. We are not moving off that position. Thank you to the nurses. City Council said there will be a nurse in every school. Two different titles, DOE only hires at the lower pay level. 

Question about contact tracing?
Answer: School system should have our own contact tracers. One of the doctors is a special ed teacher in NYC. His recommendation is if anyone tests positive in a school, we have to do contact tracing quickly. If the infection rate remains low and we use proper PPE, we should be okay. 

Question: Principal said kids don't need to wear masks as long as they are seated in class?
Answer: In NYC it is pretty clear but if kid has disability and can't wear a mask, then we would have to adjust the PPE for the teachers and whoever was working with that child. Tell principal we work for DOE and not the State Ed Department.

Question: Buyouts, what's going to happen?
Answer: We are negotiating at the MLC (umbrella group of city government employee unions) level. We won't have anything until we see what the federal government will do. City and state budgets have been decimated. State about $16 billion in the red. City is about $9 billion in the red. Mayor threatened 22,000 layoffs. If he lays people off, he can not open school buildings.

Question: What are the class sizes? Will each teacher be responsible for a kid's live and remote instruction?
Answer: If you have 30 kids, that becomes three classes. Reporting to building every day to teach three cohorts. Schools have to input curriculum and scope and sequence. In middle or high school or specialty area, a teacher can get a mix of a class or two of in-school instruction and still do remote learning.

Question: Teachers that live in Nassau or Suffolk and need childcare for their own kids? Teacher teaching in school teaching cohort A and B?
Answer: Curriculum and scope and sequence have to be allied so when your cohort is on remote, the remote teacher can take over. If you are teaching elements of a story with A, then remote has to be teaching elements of a story too. We should have been working on this for months. This is why things will get bogged down. 

Question: If I was to get Covid, will that impact my CAR? Will I come back to live or remote?
Answer: Test positive for Covid, CAR not impacted. If after a time from 14-28 days, you need negative tests to return to school. 

Question: If I have no air conditioning, how can I wear a mask and how can kids?
Answer: Yes on mask. Airflow is the key. Windows need to be open. If airflow is not enough, we won't use rooms such as inner rooms in certain buildings that don't have windows. Old buildings should be okay for airflow.

Question: Who is responsible for checking medical conditions at school? Students have the ability to opt-out and go remote as year goes by, will teachers have the same option?
Each building has a building response team. We want the school to form a team. Mulgrew will come remotely or in person if help is needed. Safety cannot be broken down. Isolation rooms, teachers volunteered in certain schools. Due to lack of leadership, there was a problem in certain other schools. Building Response Team will be in charge of this and tailoring the safety to guidelines. We have had good conversations with DOE and CSA about this.
Two options: With a medical accommodation, you work from home. We streamlined the process for medical accommodations with DOE. Besides that, you have to take an unpaid leave if we open buildings.

Question: Small talk about baseball. DOE says schools will be ready. If they aren't, what happens?
Answer: We are preparing to do whatever we have to do if the schools are not safe and the city disagrees with us.

Question: Getting the Covid-19 test today, wait two weeks for results. How can that be expedited? What can UFT do about this as a union? Went to City MD.
Answer: Because of what we went through, it depends on the institution that you go to. If it goes to a national lab, it will take two weeks. Need to go to a place so test goes to a local lab. One lab says they can test everyone within a ten-day period and have results back before school starts. Nationally, capacity is not there and it will take fourteen days. We need results faster.

Question: Remote teaching and people in their subject area for middle schools. Can they require me to teach what I am not licensed for (performing arts teacher)? 
Answer: Performing arts teachers did amazing work to figure out remote type of performing arts teaching. It is important that students need the arts to be creative. They should teach in the licensed subject area.

Question: Are we going to be expected to do a year-long curriculum and be held accountable for that?
Answer: We need curriculum and scope and sequence. There will be a system in place where we can intervene right away. Better to go deeper than broader.

Question: Kids who can't wear masks, do parents need documentation?
Answer: It must be a disability or medical condition. 75% of parents want to send their kids back to school. 25% yes go back, 25% say no don't go back until there is a safe and effective vaccine, 50% in middle want their kids back but only if it is safe and their questions are addressed.

Question: Lump sum payment status?
Answer: No reason to touch it now. Concerns about our raise, we received it. If the Heroes Act doesn't come through, I don't see how we get through the next two or three years without layoffs. When we see what the Heroes Act has, we can plan better. A vaccine won't end this. Many switching to remote permanently for this year. Let's see what happens with the Heroes Act.

Question: What about District 75 teachers who deal with students who need diaper changes?
Answer: PPE will be different in D75 settings as compared to most classrooms. We need to see a plan put in front of us. Nurses, school based and those who work in hospitals, showing how to use PPE properly. If we get back to any in-school teaching, we have to train as if we are in a hospital setting.

Question: Teacher works in a D75 school, how will people who work in an office be protected?
Answer: Get masks and plexiglass. Airflow has to be proper also.

Question: Parents who need to go to work will send kids to school with fevers and they give them a little Tylenol? Spring break pay?
 Answer: Every school will have a nurse. Spring break days: Three unions involved are going to arbitration for full pay for the 7 days. 

Question: 33 year Phys Ed teacher in a shared building. No windows and teaches 30-40 per class. What are the protocols?
Answer: Need to look at ventilation protocols. Must be social distancing. Lots of calisthenics. Combine phys ed between different schools in the same building. Look for solutions. 

Question: How long do I put in the accommodation for?
Answer: For as long as the medical crisis lasts.

Question: Chancellor gave vague answers on cleaning?
Answer: We put our masks on and meet with School Construction Authority people and School Facilities people. They have been smart about buying what is needed. Need cleaning protocols in place. In March, they said they would deep clean every evening and they lied. Now, Building Response Team must make sure things are done immediately. At this point, School Facilities agree that after a phone call, things will get fixed. If not, a question on whether a school will open. 

Question: Deadline is July 31 for accommodation, what if you find out if you are pregnant. Can you put in after July 31?
Answer: July 31 is to fast track accommodation. Can file for the accommodation at any point. Call the UFT and we will tell DOE why something is happening. Certainly, if you find out you are pregnant on August 5, you can apply for an accommodation then.

Question: Have my own kids. What do we do?
Answer: We have issues with the way the Department of Health and mayor handled this in March. Many of us are taking care of other family members. We don't know how this will go when it comes to crunch time. Let us know and we will see what we can do to help you.

Question: Remote vs classroom teacher. Where are these remote teachers supposed to be coming from?
Answer: Average class size was 28 last year. Average class size this year will be about 12. We are short teachers. Chancellor telling people who have teaching licenses and work for DOE will be teaching. We do not have the capacity to meet the need. If Heroes Act comes through, DOE could hire more teachers. 

Question: Scheduling four periods a day?
Answer: Block scheduling approach to do four periods and lunch. Teacher A comes in with four periods on Monday and Tuesday. The rest of the day for the teacher is lunch and coordination with a remote instructor. Certain schools are doing that now. Due to the challenges we are facing, we have to look at scheduling different models. Recreating the old school day is not the most efficient or effective way to deal with the instructional program during this coronavirus time.

Question: Evaluation?
Answer: We haven't even talked about that yet. Eval cannot be reliant on a MOSL.

Question: I teach Regents courses, limited to seeing these kids a couple of times a week. How is that a viable option?
Answer: We are talking to Regents about standardized tests. You need to have a remote teacher to partner with. You both have to be on the same page. This is about safety. Parents want safety too. We are not in a perfect world now. We don't have answers for every question.

Question: How are we supporting parents with remote learning? Can individual schools have full remote?
Answer: We have had so many issues where we work alongside parents. If school is reopening, a very big if with all the challenges we have, a school can't be fully remote but there is a real possibility of us being fully remote anyway. We made some progress. We still have more to go. Some safety questions have been answered. We will need to talk again. 

Your questions guide our work. We are working with the schools that know how to do this stuff. This journey, March 14, the mayor announced he was closing schools and we jumped for joy. It was originally for two weeks and the virus kept beating on us. We lost so many colleagues but we continued. We were the full support for many parents and families. We kept extending and we got through the school year. Challenge for us is moving forward but nobody knows at this moment; right now I would say no.  Thanks people for being on the call. There will be a couple of more of these virtual town halls. Good for us to talk to each other. Take a deep breath and we will face challenges together.

47 comments:

Anonymous said...

Too much time on the nurses question

Anonymous said...

One tough question and he balks!!!!

Anonymous said...

This and an art project... Our mayor is physically and fiscally irresponsible.

REPORT: New York City Spent $52 Million on Temporary Hospital that Treated 79 Coronavirus Patients https://hann.it/2WGPVwf

Anonymous said...

Mulgrew mentioned buyout. He mentioned layoffs. i am 39 years old. Buy me out, i will leave, keep those who want to stay.

Anonymous said...

What about students who refuse rules?

Anonymous said...

spring break comp. lol.

we are going through arbitration, full pay requested.

nerd said...

33 years of teaching gym.....???? RETIRE!

nerd said...

Regarding retro:

First he said: "No reason to touch it."

Then he said: "No reason to touch it right now."

nerd said...

District 75 needs a separate meeting. Their questions only pertain to them.

Anonymous said...

Funny how mulgrew did a weingarten and changed topic when asked about retro.

Oh, wait, randi weingarten would have gone on a diatribe about her upbringing in the Bronx. Mulgrew just blatantly ignored it.

Anonymous said...

I like how he said they are short teachers yet there are like no openings posted on open market? What's the deal?

#Pro UFT ICE blog! said...

WTH! SpEd kids w/medical issues shouldn’t be returning to the Bldg their health will be compromised— sickle cell, asthmatic, immuno compromised, Diabetic, heart issues. Even the ones that suffered strokes while in the womb.

#Pro UFT ICE blog! said...

Mulgrew needs to stop playing with our lives and take a stand and he’ll only do that if Teachers unite. We need to strike! For the lives of our students, families and colleagues.

Anonymous said...

After reading Mulgrew's responses I was left wondering whether he had lost his mind, morals and credibility. Why should teachers be asked to play Russian roulette with their lives and the lives of their families?

Anonymous said...

It's very different to be in an office building spaced out with hardly any outsiders in comparison to a school building. Schools are not ready, don't have the funding to institute the guidelines, etc. Remote 100%.

Anonymous said...

If he said one more time "this is the worst summer ever" I was going to throw my phone. I don't give a fuck if he's having the worst summer ever- that's what he gets paid for. Grow a set Mikey, and start talking tough like the heads of teachers' unions in other states.

Too many platitudes, not enough grit.

Unitymustgo! said...

Question. I'm elementary. So who's with my students the 3 periods I'm not? Who is doing dismissal? Where exactly am I doing this collaboration with the remote teacher? Every inch is being used? And not for nothing can we please do something about the 155 minutes of extended day.

Anonymous said...

@7:44 PM - Your principal may be having a virtual meeting about the reopening of school (IF it happens). This can be addressed with the principal then consult with the union to check if appropriate.

Anonymous said...

@7:28 PM - Mulgrew could speak in a nice tone as long as he carries a stick once the guidelines and funding are not up to par. I'm ready!

Anonymous said...

Check out this article titled, "Actual Covid-19 case count could be 6 to 24 times higher than official estimates, CDC study shows"
By ANDREW JOSEPH @DrewQJoseph JULY 21, 2020.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/07/21/cdc-study-actual-covid-19-cases/

Anonymous said...

How does this work for teacher assigned who travel to multiple sites per week? How will we be protected?

Anonymous said...

Mulgrew can't guarantee we will get retro owed to us for 11 years. I thought it was in a "piggy bank," Mike. Send us to die. Make us work spring break for free. Steal our retro. Continue to collect 1600 year from each member. What a racket.

Anonymous said...

It doesn't work for the teacher who travels. The virus is seeking you out as a host in order to replicate and spread.. It leads to community spread, illness and death.

Disgusted in Queens said...

Mulgrew is saying it is the worst summer for him because he has to make some attempt at actually working this summer and earn a portion of his inflated salary. Perhaps he realizes members want protection and if he won't provide it we will strike.

Was there any mention of what will happen for early childhood Pre/K that use tables rather than desks to seat students? Rooms have 4-5 tables and students cannot be 6 feet apart if they are used.

Also, has anyone's school started installing the barriers on the desks for students and what about co-teachers who share 1 desk that should not be happening anymore.

Anonymous said...

Let's see...older,poorly maintained buildings with little or no proper ventilation. A student body that is resistant to instructions even in the best of circumstances. A student body that lives mostly in overcrowded multi generational households where vast numbers of members who work are in front line occupations with high disease contact.
A city in which most people travel every day on over crowded, poorly ventilated public transportation.
A deadly virus that is airborne.

Why is anyone even thinking it's possible to open schools until there is a vaccine?
This is pure insanity.

Anonymous said...

Why do we still not have any information about how ENL is supposed to work aside from the general platitudes about somehow delivering all necessary services when kids are in groups of ten? How am I supposed to go to all my groups if you can't put an extra body in the classroom? Or pull out kids if it's not allowed? This is why I'm just avoiding all this prattling right now. There's no way to tell what is and isn't going to happen.

Anon2323 said...

@5:11 haha I was thinking same thing when I heard PE question 33 years. Calisthenics haha sure my students want to do that in PE when they have been away from sports since March. After hearing how unprepared we still are, seems no way we can go back until February, then hopefully get back to normality and PSAL sports!

Anonymous said...

I am not a PE teacher, but please don't belittle PE teachers. There are PE teachers that practice a healthy lifestyle and are physically fit. Not all, but there are those that are great examples and role models to our students. You can also find Senior PE teachers that have made it a lifelong commitment and continue to practice what they preach.


Due to the health and safety of all involved, schools will be remote.

Spring break pay and retro need to be there, else action needs to be taken.

Bronx ATR said...

As a retiree, who was an ATR for a long time, there are a few things that need to be said. The anxiety most are feeling this summer, over September, was felt every summer by ATRs. It was always Russian Roulette. People did get sick and some did die because of their placements. Mulgrew did nothing to accommodate anyone, other than deBlasio. He even put an expedited termination clause in the 2014 contract. What makes anyone think he’ll be different now? ( Did you guys forget his silent acquiescence on March 17, 18 and 19?) If push comes to shove, he will use the same platitudes. With potential layoffs, it will be, ‘You are lucky to have a job’, ‘If you don’t like it - retire or change careers’. The science is strongly tilted towards opening schools fully in NYC, but they won’t - not because of your or the students’ safety, but because there can be massive layoffs facilitated by distance learning. (Also there’s a real push to keep everything closed to stop Trump from being reelected.) Huge online classes and no push back from the UFT. Strike? It would mean nothing if all kids are doing remote learning. Actually, it would be less than nothing; it would allow for massive terminations a la Regan and the air traffic controllers. Then there’s the Taylor Law, and arrests for large protests that are deemed politically incorrect (not tied to BLM, racial injustice or overthrowing society). In my opinion, teachers should protest right now to remove Mulgrew and to push for a class size limit for on- line classes. With Mulgrew and his toadies in charge you can rest assured of one thing and one thing only - that you will get the bullet in this version of Russian roulette.

Anonymous said...

LOL.

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Anonymous said...

They are short teachers in the entire system to cover the number of positions that would-be needed to do blended learning (and short even more if the ICT mandates are upheld). Open market positions wouldn'thelp with this shortage because open market are listings for those of us already in the system. It's apples and oranges.

Anonymous said...

I will take unemployment plus $600 weekly forever, I will quit right now.

Anonymous said...

Don't know if it's true everywhere but in a mtg (also elementary) this week our principal said it would be 4 periods of academic instruction, 1 of student lunch in classroom, then students would be dismissed bc we get prep and lunch and the only way to do that is for all teachers to have their prep and lunch scheduled at same time. (Especially sinceclusters this year will be covering academic cohorts). Alternately all teachers have 1st period prep, school starts later for kids and still ends earlier for teacher lunch.
I dont think parents are aware that the live, in person teaching they are asking for will still be truncated.

Anonymous said...

But shouldn't they advertise in open market for ATRs?

Anonymous said...

UFT = Useless For Teachers

jeff said...

Why cant we just use edmentum like we are in summer school? The curriculum is already there, the students complete the work, take the tests, we grade work when needed, are available on Zoom...We can add additional assignments...

Anonymous said...

I agree keeping students and school staff healthy will be impossible. Many students travel by public transportation where social distancing won’t be possible or traced. I also foresee shortages of soap, sanitizers, masks etc.

Anonymous said...

Re-opening the schools will help goose the economy by making it possible for parents to go to work. Teachers, you are the geese. Actually, you are the sacrificial geese!

nerd said...

It always seems like District 75 teachers believe that entire DOE orbits them.Their questions are always job specific.

Anonymous said...

And many teachers use public too. How about the guy who posts on here who travels by bus, train and ferry from Staten Island to manhattan?

Anonymous said...

Nice that he keeps pushing the HEROES ACT. Doesn't he know they're attaching a clause that says you can't sue your employer, school, etc if you get COVID, from December 2019 to December 2024. Why would our union president be willing to accept or continue to push passage of that legislation?

Anonymous said...

Edmentum has so many glitches it's ridiculous. Plus it lets kids work on their own pace so kids are just going to wait until the last week to do the work. It's a good program but keeping kids on track with it is the big challenge.

James Eterno said...

We have posted on the liability shield for schools on several occassions.

#Pro UFT ICE blog! said...

His decisions clear show his vested interest lay with DOE rather than the people he’s paid to serve!

#Pro UFT ICE blog! said...

Completely agree with you @12:18pm. So why are we waiting for Mulgrew’s self serving DOE kiss ass to take a stand for us? Sickout and strikes is the only way to go!

Anon2323 said...

I think either apex/edmentum should be used and teachers can coordinate a zoom meet 1/2 a week for students who show accountability and go to learn remote live. This way there is more uniformity across the board and way more organization. If a student finishes weeks in advanced good for that student. Otherwise, lock where students cannot move to next unit until a given date.

Anonymous said...

The contract says it all. No one needs to work in unsafe conditions. Plain and simple.