Chancellor Carranza in yesterday's email to employees said this:
But unfortunately we have reached the point where the Mayor announced this morning that all managerial and non-represented City employees-meaning employees who are not members of a union-will be required to take five unpaid workdays as furlough between October 1, 2020 and March 31, 2021.
The UFT reacted on Twitter:
No UFT members employed by the DOE are being furloughed. The "Important Announcement" email sent to all staff from Chancellor Carranza tonight pertains only to managerial employees and other DOE employees not represented by a union.
The furlough according to what both Carranza and the UFT are writing about would seem to include our three commenters who have opted out of the UFT 500 times. They are proud non-union members. Those five days of lost pay would more than make up for the union dues they are saving.
Whether this is legal or not, I don't know as I am not a lawyer. I also do not know if the opt outers are included in the furlough program and I guess I should take this down if you can show that the opt outers are not in this. If you are included, legal fees to get the money back would probably cost more than five days pay. If you go to small claims court or PERB by yourself, I wish you the best.
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Is there a way to find out if those that opted out would be furloughed since technically they are nonunion. I am pro-union and although do not agree with what the Unity Caucus has been doing, I am still pro-union and do not plan to opt out.
Who will teach the class of the opt outer?
50 teachers at IS 51 Edwin Markham, on Staten Island, must quarantine after coming in contact with a staff member who tested positive for COVID-19.
@NYCSchools
says social distancing protocols were "unfortunately not followed" by the school staff.
This is how the uft helped.
James, you know it is more than 3 people.
LOL. James just mentioned about the uft lawyer not representing opt outers after posting about solidarity and dozens of dues paying teachers hiring their own lawyer.
Oh, so they will furlough a non dues person and hire a sub?
The 2 million subs Carranza is hiring would cost about half as much as a day's pay for the opt outers to cover their classes. This is truly a win-win. Carranza saves a few bucks and Mulgrew sticks it to the shitheads who won't pay dues. Even most people here are happy. Only the asshole opt-outers lose. They don't give a shit about anyone so why should anyone care about them?
8:51, does mulgrew give a shit about the dues payers? Why so interested in defending him?
lolol James with the Zinger to the non due paying complainers in here must have felt nice James.
Wish they would clear out central as well.
HAHA. Ask Lydia and the 35 teachers BEGGING for help if mulgrew cares. Ask the 90 uft members who died in the spring. Ask why 9 the 10 biggest schools sytems are full remote and we are put at risk. That is for the 99% dues payers. You somehow forgot those uft failings.
All of you nitwits who are saying "Hahaha, screw you opt outers" must have really poor math skills.
Let's assume that this furlough affects me and the other people here who opted out. Speaking for myself, 5 days pay will come out to a little more than a $1000, spread out over 5 months.
The way I understand it, that pay cut is done before taxes. So after the furlough cut is made and taxes are taken out, my take home pay for any two week period that includes one furlough day will barely change.
At least I get a day off without it affecting my CAR, and this is even assuming that the furlough will impact us. According to an article in today's NYPost about the superintendents getting hit, teachers and principals won't be affected.
So haha, you only fooled yourselves. At least I don't pay dues to a disgusting sleazy organization that has shown repeatedly that it doesn't care about the people that it is leeching off of.
It's not about the money. $1600 is just a month's rent for me. It's about not feeding my enemy.
But for the record, I am all for decertifying the UFT in order to create a new union, and I'll do my part in assisting that effort.
Not defending Mulgrew. Just noting he found something MORE, SOLIDARITY NAC and ICEcan all agree on.
But this is just the beginning. They're still not saving the money they need to save. More could come later. He could layoff non union employees as well.
Your daily pay is figured out at 1/200 of your annual salary. If you are making $100,000 a year, that comes out to $500 a day. Multiply that by 5 and it is $2,500 total. It will cost more than a year's dues.
A-I'm resigning soon anyway.
B-The $2,500 in the example is pre tax money, so take home would be less than the dues, in the example given
C-The uft does not deserve dues, at all, as they have proven
D-You haven't said why they won't help Lydia and the 35 teachers payinying dues, not getting the uft lawyer, then paying again for Bryan Glass.
E-You haven't said why the dues payers are being sent into infected buildings just like March.
The thing to contemplate with this is if deB’s doing this to non Union employees, what’s he planning with UFT employees? He’s going to royally screw UFT members via his lovingly special relationship with Mulgrew. Don’t take too much delight on the misfortune of others.
I guess there must be more than 3 opt out people if they are worried abiut furloughing them.
$2500 out of $100,000 total.
Now factor in taxes and other cuts. Your take home pay still won't be significantly impacted.
Can you all stop. Opt out people are not the enemy. De blasio, Carranza and Mulgrew are the enemies. The opt out people had damn good reason to opt out, even if you disagree. Why you would celebrate getting abused, I dont know.
https://nypost.com/2020/09/24/nyc-school-superintendents-livid-over-carranza-furloughs/
"The city is furloughing 9,000 non-unionized workers for a total of five days in response to coronavirus-related budget woes. Superintendents are not unionized.
Teachers and principals are represented by organized labor and were not subject to City Hall’s furloughs."
Losing about $2500. If they retire within 3 years, it will factor in their pension, losing $500 pension every year.
Your take home pay won't really be impacted much. That's true but I really don't know if the opt-outers, who I know are more than three, are included.
Think about it. They are gonna furlough someone, you all claim very few, to save $400 bucks to then spend $200 on a sub? And yes, the state is what, 16 billion short, it will take a lot more than saving $1000 from a few teachers. Good luck to those who plan to do this for a long time. As 939 pm said, you are all getting screwed, more than you have already gotten screwed. I would say 5 years of zero raises, huge medical costs just to start. Teachers choice gone forever, which means teachers, not mulgrew, must reach deeper in their own pockets. Cut all per session...Make pension worse...That is what you are all facing.
The question is simple, do they mean uft members paying dues vs not paying dues, as opposed to teachers who are represented by the uft, which is all of us.
9:56 must have failed math in high school.
I think the NYPost article put the kibbosh on the idea of opt outers getting furloughed. It's not going to happen.
And even if it did, there's another added benefit: less income to report to the IRS, which means a little bit more cash when it comes to tax returns.
Still a win.
Ha!
Not really thrilled saying this but as you guys meekly go into infected buildings,the city knows they can do anything they want to you and will do nothing but have a few useless protests.
If it wasnt so sad, it would be comical people are rejoicing and gleeful about people who opted out with good eason, while they themselves may be on a ventilator due to uft inaction.
I was refused accommodation and refused to go in. Nothing happened to me. No, I cant tell you the school. When it comes to this, I wouldnt back down. I won.
If the furlough was such a wonderful thing so that the UFT would agree to it, all of you opt-outers would be calling it another UFT sellout. Most of you are so full of shit. Admit it, you are anti-union all the way.
You know you could voluntarily take those 5 days without pay. Any takers?
I didn't think so.
To me, UFT due is an insurance premium, nothing about any principle.
It is a very bad insurance, but I will buy it, for the sake of my pension, which is protected by NY state constitution.
10:25 is just bitter that he/she got owned.
And yes, if there was a good reason for it, I'd voluntarily take it.
It is 5 days pay, minus half that for taxes. A 100k teacher would lose about 1300 take home. Not a great thing, not a big deal either. I would be more upset if i wanted to be a nyc teacher for the next 20-30 years. I would be more upset seeing all the losses the uft will conceed going forward. Remember the great deal you got with a 6 billion surplus.
Herre ya go. Widespread infection. Save the dues payers. This is what you are paying for.
153 NY SCHOOL CASES: 26 more cases in NYC schools reported, only 6 closed temporarily https://nytimes.com/2020/09/23/nyregion/coronavirus-new-york-schools.html
1025, are you referring to all 10,000 opt out people?
Anyone else teaching fully remote and feeling hopeless? I’m home on a medical accommodation and I’m starting to get sick because of the stress. I can’t sleep. There’s no time to eat during the day. There’s no time for breaks. It’s endless work and this is not sustainable or realistic. Each day more and more students are added to my roster. CL and DL have not helped. 65 fully remote and the rest blended. Nearly 150 D75 kids. I really hate this. I’m supposed to be home so that I DON’T get sick. If this goes on I’ll have to use my intermittent FMLA! I thought the uft was suppsoed to suppoort me.
Can the uft help our friends? Today was hard. Two teachers I support cried on the phone or in a Zoom with me. Teachers are working their asses off. Teachers are not OK. If you have a teacher in your life, check in on them. Send them some love. Take a deep breath with them. I’ll be doing the same.
Uft safety? SITTING DUCKS: Another indoor airflow expert Dustin
@Poppendieck
describes inevitable travel of particles across classrooms. NY teachers ask
@DOEChancellor
to show scientific evidence behind hybrid plan of “open windows”, 5.5 hour duration + indoor eating
http://poppendieck.com/IAQ/COVID19%20FAQ.html
There must be about 200people working for the DOE whose absence would not even be noticed
Clear out all the supervisors and specialists who are not permanently assigned to a school. Conservatively estimating their salaries at about
$130,000 the resulting savings would be about $26 million. Actually, you could probably fire twice as many without affecting any kid’s achievement or any school’s operations
Not sure if the divide and conquer algorithm will work on this problem, but I would like to know how big the problem is. How many have opted out and how many will next go round. I plan to opt out and as there are three dues paying members in my household, and as all three of us are UFT members, we would, by the numbers tossed out here on this blog, double the size of the problem. I could care less about the cost. I opted out of COPE not because I didn't want to support the Union or its political action, quite the contrary, but because COPE, like Unity dues is a scam. Unity simply attributes its victories and COPE so it can justify wasting the money and asking for more. Now, we all know that the UFT, that the DOE, that the City and Albany run on corruption and the monies they rob from workers and tax payers, so not paying is not about forcing these inherently corrupt powers to clean up their acts, it's about dignity. It's about standing up to power and abuse and corruption in the only way possible. I wanted a strike. But unlike James and other prominent members and former leaders, who immediately through their weight behind their nemesis, endorsing Unity and applauding the militancy of Mulgrew, I knew Mulgrew has not suddenly changed his stripes. While we all hoped for the same thing, we had different assessments of Mulgrew and Unity. I had no faith in the new militant Mugrew. I still hoped the membership would force a strike. I supported the job action, even after Mulgrew and James and others tried to say that this strike of job action would not be a strike or job action or resemble one in any way. I was prepared to organize. I wanted numbers, facts, a plan. I insisted that we are a weak union in countless ways and that we should not be fooled into thinking that we are in any way like Detroit, Chicago, LA, or even like the teacher unions that shook things up in Red States. No, we are weak by design, by law, by structure. I insisted that a sick out by the members was still possible. I participated in a sick out that flopped. I supported the legal actions and even argued that Glass & Co. should file a suit on behalf of non dues payers. Now I am being called a sheep because I will not pay dues to a union that wold make me a machine and use my money to automate my job and replace me with cheaper labor and computers.
I am reminded of Jane Addams, who, during a pandemic, tried to help settle labor disputes in Chicago but found that the teachers wanted only to punish teachers who had not supported the union.
This is where we are now. Tragic and sad indeed. A ship of fools and it's every fool for themselves.
We have no union. Unity/UFT is not a union. You won't vote them out. You won't de-certify them.
All is lost. We are defeated. What can we do but listen to the WHO; "We won't be fooled again."
This not happening. The law does not allow it. But commonsense should trump the ridiculousness of this article. I really thought you at least rode the line on the UFT.
The fact is the UFT and other unions are in negotiations with NYC to find savings and avoid furloughs or layoffs. If you think losing 5 days of pay is bad, just wait until you see the savings they negotiate, which will be in perpetuity.
Unions are required to still represent individuals in bargaining that do not pay dues when they are the exclusive bargaining entity. The furloughs are part and parcel of the bargaining. If the city separated non union payers from union payers and the UFT allowed that, welcome to Pandora's box; if the UFT and NYC wanted to make a SCOTUS case to destroy the validity of unions they'd allow it. We are a closed shop and the negotiations are done by one bargaining entity.
The same laws in NYC, NYS and the US which protects employees from disparate treatment for organizing a union protect employees from disparate treatment for not paying.
The Taylor law protects both non paying and paying union members. They cannot change our contract, force furloughs, change medical care, increase co-payments, etc. without negotiations and we can bring it to PERB(FREE OF CHARGE) if they did.
Finally, I say again to the blogger, use commonsense and stop raising hysterical fears. Union members can always opt in, there is only a period of time to opt out.
I think you should concentrate your blogs more on the fact we know 100% the city unions are negotiating givebacks and do not include any employees in the conversation. This is from a NY POST article recently "Harry Nespoli, chair of the Municipal Labor Committee, said unions are still fighting possible cuts. “They want to take more from the unions than what the unions can possibly give up,” he told the Daily News. “Once you turn around and you give something up, you never get it back.”
"The employer must make it clear that joining the union and authorizing dues to be deducted from pay is not a condition of employment and that the terms and conditions of employment (wages, hours, vacation, holidays, personal and sick leave, health insurance, retirement system participation, etc.) for dues-paying members and non-members are the same within any given bargaining unit and title."
I said I am not a lawyer and don't even know if this is legal. This piece was based on Carranza's email words.
Excess by seniority, is this part of a law or a union protection?
Albany may soon change the LIFO(Last in First out) law to give ATRs only one year grace period.
Then we will see if our union is worth the due we are paying.
I very much doubt the Democrats in the State Assembly are going to change the teacher layoff law. For everyone who says the UFT does nothing, they held out on this one in 2010. It is why we didn't get a contract for 5 years.
7:42: Where did you get this information about ATRs. We have the same Seniority rights when it comes to layoffs. Many people put themselves in the ATR pool when they didn't reapply for positions when high schools reorganized. We were told our jobs would be safe, so that would be a lawsuit. It's last in first out no matter how much principals want to bellyache about it.
The whole situation makes little sense. I agree with the Janus ruling, no one should be forced to buy a service or support an ideology that violates one's conscience. On the other hand, why should the UFT provide a service (including a contract) to someone who doesn't pay? In that case the person should be an at will employee who negotiates the terms of his own employment. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
James, no notification that I am furloughed, I opted out. Nothing in my DOE email as of 8:30 am on 9/25
Great, so now Shelley and a bunch of others have listed legit reasons to opt out. Just be fair. Tge uft has failed and not earned their pay. It is, as Shelley said, I could care less about the cost. I opted out of COPE not because I didn't want to support the Union or its political action, quite the contrary, but because COPE, like Unity dues is a scam. Unity simply attributes its victories and COPE so it can justify wasting the money and asking for more. Now, we all know that the UFT, that the DOE, that the City and Albany run on corruption and the monies they rob from workers and tax payers, so not paying is not about forcing these inherently corrupt powers to clean up their acts, it's about dignity. It's about standing up to power and abuse and corruption in the only way possible.
"In that case the person should be an at will employee who negotiates the terms of his own employment. Live by the sword, die by the sword."
Sounds good to me. If I had this option, the first thing I'd throw out the window is Danielson and all the bullshit attached to it.
This is why there is no hope. Most people consider the 2005 deal the worst, in terms of work conditions. That means for 15 years we have been destroyed by the uft and the doe. Now we have a deadly virus. Teachers die, forced into buildings, uft does nothing. People still getting sick in infected buildings. People refuse to strike, refuse to hold a sick out, refuse to opt out. And then, to top it off, they blame the so called "3" opt out people. 3 out of 160k uft members. At least they had the balls to do something. You guys are a joke and an embarrassment. No wonder you get walked all over.
Oh, and it's your fault you went into an infected building and got covid. If you die, you die, says the city.
Uft is silent.
It's their own fault. The DOE is blaming 50 staffers at IS 51 in Staten Island for having to quarantine after a colleague tested positive for Covid. Officials say they "disregarded social distancing protocols." via
@selimalgar
So much for the uft, the brt, the safety precautions at Markham.
I believe your seniority is overall. If you have 18 years and you are an atr and someone is assigned a school with less years they go first. I would not be surprised if albany tries to get rid of us. Other cities have had success in giving their atrs one year to look for a job. I think Chicago and DC were among those citys.
No matter how low we set the bar, both students and uft can't get over it.
Dues payers should ask about this...I distinctly remember hearing....”we have this in writing to SHUT DOWN individual schools if we need.
I think it’s time
UFT
@UFT
· Sep 18
More than 900 operational issue reports filed by UFT chapter leaders on behalf of their chapters and scores of protests at individual schools since Sept. 8 demonstrated a huge teacher shortage as well as gaps in safety measures.
https://uft.org/news/news-stories/uft-convinces-city-phase-reopening-students
UFT defended fiercely before Janus ruling in 2020, preventing NY following Chicago' suit to limit ATRs for just one year.
Now things changed after Janus' ruling, UFT might be so motivated to fight against the same movement of layingoff ATRs. They could just make deals with state law makers.
Who exactly is commenting on this blog? I cannot believe the idiotic commenters on this blog which makes me confirm my conviction regarding the intelligence of the people who work as educators...If not it must be some commenters from sites like chalkbeat or just plain joe smoes pretending to be educators alike who are just commenting to irritate us all but some of these comments are so weak and unresearched it is comical and sad at the same time.
9:13 remember we have other unions in NYC who will never agree or allow a time limit for excessed employees....Chaz wrote about this many moons ago on his site.
lol at all of you. you deserve what you get. I’ve received over 120 calls to sub since Saturday. When I log in there are not only “vacancies” but individual teachers are registering for “sick” coverages for entire week. One school had 5 teachers. This is so unsustainable.
And another, totally safe...
1. Seward Park Educational Campus, which houses five schools, is shut down for at 24 hours. One school has multiple positive cases and another school has at least one positive case. We found out in the middle of the day and were told to leave the building immediately.
I think also in Chicago and D.C. you get a $25,000 incentive for not taking the extension if you resign or retire.
For all of the problems, the UFT held out for 5 years in not giving up ATRs. That is reality. Yes, the other NY unions did not want the precedent set of non-reversed seniority based layoffs but the UFT held out and the law was not changed.
The uft then agreed to wait 11 years for retro with no interest, on top of a bunch of 1% raises. not to mention losing 8.25% tda. And many other failures...
Hard to imagine the search for teachers is going well if the mayor refuses to say how it is going.
The mayor says he'll announce the final number when every seat is filled.
The DOE has seemed desperate reaching out to anyone who has ever reached out about subbing or working in an after school.
I got a sub license in 2008 and SubCentral at the DOE reached out to me!
Excessing by seniority is a UFT contract protection in Article 17B. When schools get budget cut whcih will more than likely happen, will we see opt-outers get excessed first?
Will we see the ATRs pool filled with mostly opt-outers?
Rumor swirling around that Carranza is stepping down. Any truth to this?
Off to a good start, right mulgrew?
About the quarantine at IS 51 on #StatenIsland - 70 teachers and administrators currently quarantining, according to those familiar. Teacher who tested positive attended several staff meetings in which social distancing was followed, contrary to what
@NYCSchools said.
Issue was a @nycHealthy rule that says anyone in a room w a person who tests positive for more than 30 minutes must quarantine, even if social distancing is followed. Principals say DOE didn’t even know the rule existed
If the school expects to open October 1, they’d need a whopping 65 subs to do so. On the first day of in person learning! Instead they’re pushing for October 2 when quarantine will be up for those staff members.
If Carranza steps down, do you really think anything will change. Di Blassio will just get someone like him who shares his ideologies. Each new chancellor is worse than the previous one. E.G. Farina, Walcott, Black, Klein...
12:35, We know that it is not possible to excess the opt outers out of seniority order. If they tried, the ultimate irony would be the opt-outers filing grievances to get their positions in schools back.
Who cares about excess?
Janus held that opting out is pretty much a function of freedom of expression protected by the First Amendment. Therefore, any state action, such as furloughing, which punishes teachers who opt out is probably unconstitutional
3pm tweed press conference.. Get ready
I dont see tweed posted for press
The Chancellor is not resigning. We are not moving grades 6-12 fully remote.
Jillian Jorgensen
@Jill_Jorgensen
· 1h
The sheer amount of rumors flying around among NYC school staff right now has got to be at an all-time high.
Rumor on the street is that we are staying remote until December 31st and that Carranza is stepping down. Not sure in the truth to this
430 Deblasio press conference.. Get the popcorn out
Jillian Jorgensen NY1 Ed reporter:
tragically (for me, mainly) there is no lid haha, but i can say none of the rumors i've checked out today are true.
Is the 4:30 press conference confirmed?
You all are funny...Union this, Union that... where were you all when Bloomberg was closing schools and torturing your fellow educators. I got a medical accommodation because I have a medical problem...NO DR is going to write a note for a teacher and risk their license, yet this was insinuated to me by several "colleagues"...people have told me they are jealous of my sickly status...It is really gross. But actually, it is funny... cause the same "colleagues" who never cared about their "union" colleagues before, the ones who were being turned into ATRS from excessing and school closures, now are screaming about the injustice of it all Yeah, it happened for years, this assault.. now all of a sudden, cause it touched you, life is not fair. Like Shelley said, this is not a union and has not been a union for a very long time.
Doctors can stretch the chart if you know what I mean. It is not unethical to help one of their patients stay out of the DOE death traps.
Yeah, it happened for years, this assault.. now all of a sudden, cause it touched you, life is not fair. Like Shelley said, this is not a union and has not been a union for a very long time.
Say it, but pay dues. the dumbest staff in NY
@3:43... I'm sure you know that some people only/barely get involved when/if they are affected by a change. It's selfish and dare I say, cowardly IMO.
"I prefer to be true to myself even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of others,rather than to be false and to incur my own abhorrence." Frederick douglass.
I haven't reached the point of no return--giving up on the union--yet. Stay safe.
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