Wednesday, July 21, 2021

DOES NYC NEED A REMOTE OPTION FOR FALL?

I saw this earlier today:




Does NYC need a remote option for schooling for the fall?

UFT Solidarity put this out earlier:

We are collecting stories from educators about why they are concerned about returning to full time in person teaching and learning in September. We are hoping to look for patterns and commonalities to pursue legal action.

Please consider filling out this form regardless if you'd like to join the legal action or not (we will be crowd funding the litigation so litigants will be paying a very minimal retainer.)

UFT does not have too much credibility on the issue.

Remember, UFT President Michael Mulgrew said we reached "herd immunity" back at the June Delegate Assembly. From Arthur Goldstein's notes

Herd immunity is a milestone, Thanks all on call.

From our notes of Mulgrew's report:

We have reached herd immunity. 

Just like on many other topics, Mulgrew was wrong.

I am no scientist and don't pretend to be one but if kids under 12 who cannot yet be vaccinated make up a large portion of the student population and this virus is once again raging out of control, particularly among the unvaccinated, shouldn't we at least be discussing a remote option for the fall right about now?

This is from North Jersey.com:

The delta variant has already fueled a summer surge of the virus, with new daily cases nearly tripling — from 13,747 to 39,719 on Sunday  — over the last month in the United States, reversing weeks of decline. While that is small compared to winter’s peak of new cases, the continuing spread multiplies opportunities for new, perhaps more dangerous, variants to emerge. Another surge is predicted in the fall, when kids go back to school and activities move indoors.  

This article also covers children:

COVID presents real risks for kids

While children generally develop milder cases of COVID-19 than adults and are rarely hospitalized for severe illness, the risks they face from the disease are real — exceeding those from other communicable diseases, such as flu, for which vaccines are already required. 

As in adults, COVID can be more severe for kids with underlying conditions such as asthma, diabetes or obesity. Some children develop a potentially lethal inflammatory syndrome weeks after the infection, even if they didn’t initially have symptoms. They also are at risk for “long COVID,” which can affect thinking and stamina, among other consequences, for months.  

Do you trust Bill de Blasio, Meisha Porter or Michael Mulgrew to keep young kids safe in crowded school buildings?

Even Republican leaders like Sean Hannity are urging people to get vaccinated now.

80 comments:

Anonymous said...

Parents want a permanent remote option. If the pandemic has taught us anything, it's that many students and families love and strive with a remote option. Why would the city not cater to the very parents that it serves?

Anonymous said...

Yes, and the graduation rate has improved under remote learning. There appears to be no learning loss. I don't think, however, teachers should not be allowed to get an accommodation because they just milk it. I'm doing summer school and I teach a class normally like I would with book pen and paper. I only use the computers once a week.

Anonymous said...

If things should continue to go downhill with a rising positivity rate by school reopening in September—there will have to be adjustments that include full remote for students whose parents demand that option. It just seems that DeBlasio wants to announce that NYC is back with the reopening of Broadway shows and all public schools by September 13–at all possible costs.

Anonymous said...

I wouldn't advocate for a remote option even though I would love to not have the commute, not deal with the noise in the hallways, and get an extra 2 hrs. sleep. It was a colossal failure across the board. DOE should have required cameras to be on, and the NXs were a huge mess. Last year was a lost year for many and it's not sustainable over the long haul. I thought everyone was saying that the graduation rates were inflated and not legit. I have friends whose kids are in private school and in person, and they fared a lot better academically, socially, and emotionally.

Still, I think we should be prepared to transition to remote in the winter, just in case. There was some talk as to whether the union was going to allow us to set up Google Classrooms or whatever. I'm setting them up and preparing the students beforehand, because when it hits the fan they're just going to tell us we need to get it done last minute anyway.

Drip on? said...

Well, Mulgrew just says what he wants to benefit himself. And as long as there are still many who refuse to get vaccinated (and we all know who those idiots are) then schools will be a hotbed of coronavirus come September.

Anonymous said...

There is no herd immunity. There will be another onslaught in the fall of the Delta variant and some new worst one. It’s time for a mandate.

Anonymous said...

If remote becomes the norm, the future of the profession is bleak. They won't need many of us.

Anonymous said...

Of course there should be a remote option at least for elementary students who cannot be vaccinated. This is not just about students safety. Teachers, yes teachers should not have to be exposed to unvaccinated children and bring it home to their own.

5:17-Yes, there should be a remote option and yes, there should be accommodations for teachers. Teachers will need to work from home. Not all school buildings will be able to support all that band usage if all teachers are forced to work from school buildings. Also, less people in the buildings is safer. In person should be an option as well but only for those who want it.

There is no one size fits all approach hear and the Bozo mayor and chancellor need to realize this and not wait until September to offer a remote option. The first 2 days of school should be spent setting up in person classrooms and google classrooms not BS staff development which we should NOT be doing in a crowded room on top of each other.

Erica said...

There clearly will be a remote option. The students won't bother to log in with their $1,000 school computers and they will all pass. And teahcers will be made to travel to the building.

Anonymous said...

.@BilldeBlasio The longer you delay doing anything about #DeltaVariant now, the more you put the fall semester in jeopardy. You understand all children 11 and under are unvaccinated, Yes? That Delta partially evades vaccines too & mitigations are needed?

Anonymous said...

What are they waiting for? Vast majority of families within my local school board kept the kids home with the grandparents and kept everyone safe. Many of these very same parents still keep their kids close to home and mask up the second they go out the door. Those who own local businesses usually request a mask to enter the premises. Some of us leaned on a local congregation to support masks for all attending services after things began to slip. Grandparents ran all over the region early on for vax. Now many of them will soon need a booster to survive in good health. Why endanger them and their families?

Two years of Covid and the mayor and chancellor are still unprepared. That DiB just discovered healthcare workers need vax is pretty scary. Workers in hospitals, clinics, and nursing homes should have had mandatory vax from the beginning! If you are an adult employee in the schools and you have not been vaxxed (excepting special medical issues) you are a bigger idiot than Bill and M!

By the way, when is the Evie, charter queen, coming back to our buildings???

Anonymous said...

Remote should not be an option. These variants mainly impact adults not vaccinated. Stop listening to the Fauci’s who are looking to create fear and control of us.

TeachNY said...

Exactly.

Anonymous said...

Surprise. No retro.

Anonymous said...

what is happening with the charters this fall? Are they offering a remote option? WHat is Eva doing? Does anyone know?

Also, backpay is supposed to be in portal TODAY. Money is arriving by check or direct deposit.

"This payment is being made via supplemental check (paper or direct deposit) today. "
Let's see if this holds true.

Anon said...

So I woke up this morning and guess what wasn't in my account?!

Anonymous said...

Does anyone have there money this morning??

NOT ME

Anonymous said...

To Anon 3:26 —I would rather listen to Fauci and all the other scientists than those on Facebook and other social media. And for the record—
Fauci has said that schools should be open. He would also say—‘Be patient, your retro money will be in your accounts-any day now.’

Anonymous said...

Parents want a remote option and it's not just because of Covid. Kids in NYC schools are bullied, packed into crowded classrooms with disruptive students, and many have to travel to other boroughs to attend school. A remote option should be permanent for any family that wants it. The technology is there to make this happen.

Just an endangered CL said...

I have faith in the UFT & DOE. I'm certain that a day before Students return in the Fall, they'll roll out a remote option and expect us to completely reprogramming our schools & staff and do it with a smile on our faces and skinned knees.

Oh, and "Hi Amy!" Keep doing what you do, Amy. You're the best!

Anonymous said...

Remote should be an option if that’s what nyc parents want. But the other commenter is correct. Remote teaching taking over would mean huge remote classes….that’s how nyc will save on salaries and benefits.

Anon2323 said...

LOl Sean Hannity has been saying this for 7 months, use your discretion, be a critical thinker. To everyone who has been vaccinated, basically as a guinea pig, I truly hope all is well with your body because in a few years we will all find out the truth. Already more deaths from this vaccine than aids and all OTHERS. IF it was the right thing for your body to get vaccinated, you should be walking on water. Should not be fearful at all.

https://agrdailynews.com/2021/07/22/johns-hopkins-study-found-zero-covid-deaths-among-healthy-kids/

https://reporterdoor.com/2021/07/21/pfizer-recalls-chantix-due-to-cancer-causing-chemical/

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/coronavirus-in-israel-430-new-cases-147-percent-of-tests-positive-674215

nerd said...

There's going to be a lot of upset teachers with the remote option who have saved tons by no commuting, parking, etc. I'd like to know how many calls the UFT has received from teachers claiming their situation is "unique" and they should be allowed to teach from home. They've gotten used to that lifestyle. If they teach from home, let them work under a lower salary scale. Poor babies.

nerd said...

2:59 pm. “Already More deaths from this vaccine than AIDS and all others??” Ummm no … the vaccine itself hasn’t killed as many people as AIDS ( for which there is no vaccine.) Maybe there’s a typo? Maybe you listen to too much Sean Hannity?

nerd said...

2:59 pm. “Already More deaths from this vaccine than AIDS and all others??” Ummm no … the vaccine itself hasn’t killed as many people as AIDS ( for which there is no vaccine.) Maybe there’s a typo? Maybe you listen to too much Sean Hannity?

Anonymous said...

The John Hopkins study actually found 23% deaths due to OBESITY and 12% for DIABETES. The link to the propaganda article suggests that it would take a more severe pre-existing condition like leukemia, which is not what John Makary of John Hopkins actually said. In his own opinion piece in the Washington Post, he also said: "The severe illness and intensive care associated with some pediatric covid-19 infections could lead to significant long-term problems. Thousands of American kids have developed multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children (MIS-C) due to covid-19, which is estimated to occur in 0.09 percent of confirmed cases in children. Nearly all kids survive MIS-C, but in some cases, it can be terribly painful and have lifelong consequence, such as heart weakness and neurological damage."

And this: "Nevertheless, we are strong believers that pediatric vaccinations save lives. The same may be true for the covid-19 vaccine, too."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/03/24/case-vaccinating-children-covid-19/


Anonymous said...

4:14: I agree. I love all the teachers who were had the remote option and then bragged about going on vacations on planes during the breaks. If you are not afraid of traveling then you are not afraid of Covid.

James Eterno said...

Sorry, Anon 2323, I let the first one through and then people refuted it.

Your rebuttal used as your source an anti Vax site that I will not promote.

We checked with Media bias Fact Check.

Analysis / Bias
In review, the National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) is a quackery-level anti-vaccination organization. The website’s entire premise is to encourage parents and adults not to vaccinate. They routinely promote perceived dangers that science does not accept and advocate campaigns such as displaying billboards along highways. Further, NVIC also claims a partnership with known pseudoscience purveyor Joseph Mercola. This source also promotes the debunked claim that vaccines cause autism. NVIC lacks credibility because they promote anti-vaccine pseudoscience and misinformation.

Anonymous said...

Who fact checks Media bias fact checkers? Are they the same group that said all the other now proven facts were wrong? People don’t trust the vaccine because so called fact checkers have been wrong about so much. They’re not really fact checkers they are in place to support the official narrative whether that narrative is based on actual facts or not. The vaccine was “rushed” and not to be trusted until Biden and the democrats decided it was politically expedient to say otherwise. Million reasons not to trust anything these assholes say. Censoring dissenting information signals to me not to trust what they’re selling. I want to hear it all and decide for myself who’s full of shit and who’s not. Fuck the fact checkers and anyone who censors information. I didn’t believe Elvis was alive every time I walked by a copy of trash mag when I was a kid. Why does Big Brother think I’m more gullible as an adult. I don’t need anyone telling me who’s a reliable source and who isn’t. And if you think you can, you are automatically put in the unreliable source category.

Anon2323 said...

WE mentioned early during covid would you dip your hand in a bowl of 500 M & M's and grab a handful and eat if only ONE m&m had covid. 100% responses said no chance! So why on this earth would anyone take or give this to healthy children or adults, especially if you are already vaccinated? This has a 99% survival rate, if it was a true pandemic homeless people would be lying dead in the streets especially since they have amazing immune systems. We can all agree to disagree, nobody here has any evidence to prove me wrong.

THE FACT CHECKERS NEED TO BE FACT-CHECKED, SEEMS TO ME THEY ONLY CAME AROUND WHEN FACTS CAME OUT.

The next delta variant will come during the 2022 midterm elections πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚.



This week’s total VAERS data, from Dec. 14, 2020 to June 25, 2021, for all age groups show:

21% of deaths were related to cardiac disorders.
51% of those who died were male, 45% were female and the remaining death reports did not include gender of the deceased.
The average age of death was 74.3.
As of June 18, 2,337 pregnant women reported adverse events related to COVID vaccines, including 791 reports of miscarriage or premature birth.
Of the 3,985 cases of Bell’s Palsy reported, 55% were attributed to Pfizer vaccinations, 42% to Moderna vaccine and 7% to J&J.
365 reports of Guillain-BarrΓ© Syndrome, with 45% of cases attributed to Pfizer, 42% to Moderna and 19% to J&J.
114,113 reports of anaphylaxis with 44% of cases attributed to Pfizer’s vaccine, 48% to Moderna and 8% to J&J.
7,263 reports of blood clotting disorders. Of those, 3,151 reports were attributed to Pfizer, 2,566 reports to Moderna and 1,501 reports to J&J.
1,576 cases of myocarditis and pericarditis with 1,001 cases attributed to Pfizer, 523 cases to Moderna and 48 cases to J&J’s COVID vaccine.

James Eterno said...

We use Media Bias Fact Check as we don't have time to investigate or respond to every claim made in comments here. Here is their method:

Each day Media Bias Fact Check selects and publishes fact checks from around the world. We only utilize fact-checkers that are either a signatory of the International Fact-Checking Network (IFCN) or have been verified as credible by MBFC. Further, we review each fact check for accuracy before publishing. (D. Van Zandt)

Claim Codes: Red = Fact Check on a Right Claim, Blue = Fact Check on a Left Claim, Black = Not Political/Conspiracy/Pseudoscience/Other

James Eterno said...

From VAERS:
https://vaers.hhs.gov/data/dataguide.html

When reviewing data from VAERS, please keep in mind the following limitations:

VAERS is a passive reporting system, meaning that reports about adverse events are not automatically collected, but require a report to be filed to VAERS. VAERS reports can be submitted voluntarily by anyone, including healthcare providers, patients, or family members. Reports vary in quality and completeness. They often lack details and sometimes can have information that contains errors.

James Eterno said...

More from VAERS website:

When evaluating data from VAERS, it is important to note that for any reported event, no cause-and-effect relationship has been established. Reports of all possible associations between vaccines and adverse events (possible side effects) are filed in VAERS. Therefore, VAERS collects data on any adverse event following vaccination, be it coincidental or truly caused by a vaccine. The report of an adverse event to VAERS is not documentation that a vaccine caused the event.

VAERS Data Limitations
Millions of vaccines are given each year to children less than 1 year old in the United States, usually between 2 and 6 months of age. At this age, infants are at greatest risk for certain medical adverse events, including high fevers, seizures, and sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS). Some infants will experience these medical events shortly after a vaccination by coincidence.

These coincidences make it difficult to know whether a particular adverse event resulted from a medical condition or from a vaccination.

Anonymous said...

@Anon2323, you were already proven that you use distorted articles to try and make a point. Ths Hopkins study did not say that only children with an illness like "Leukemia" will suffer from Covid. But SURE, it, like obesity is a "chronic" condition and that is a textbook example of how propaganda works for the gullible, because unlike leukemia, obesity is COMMON among school children.

If you dont want to vaccinate yourself and your family DON'T but stop trying to dictate how organizations should protect their interests. In Florida they wont allow cruise ships to mandate vaccines and yet if it becomes another shit show you think the Governor is going to offer support?. Last I remember they didnt want to allow anyone off the ship and were threatening to withhold funds from Blue States. Right wingers would rather people die than have Biden be successful in anything. That makes them dangerous sociopaths not to be trusted, and anything they say, or write is suspect.

Anonymous said...

Now, we have gamma, alpha, and gamma variants. Enough already.

Get busy living or never leave your home again. The choice is a personal decision.

People who have been vaccinated and gotten covid afterwards have been told that the vaccination helped them not be that sick. Isn’t that why we got vaccines?

No remote options. As teachers, we shouldn’t want remote.

Get busy living or get busy living in your basement. To each their own.

Anonymous said...

Yes, and if they go back to mask mandates, that is going to put more distrust in the vaccine. Also, I heard Laura Curran, Nassau County Executive say that as of today only 1 person in Nassau county is on a respirator due to Covid. She also said out of all the new cases of Covid in the county, only 1 percent of the new cases were vaccinated and the illness was very mild. I don't see why people are believing all these ridiculous stories. People hear a few bad experiences with the vaccine and go by that. They don't consider the millions who got the vaccine and were fine. This is like being afraid to fly. You only hear about the accidents involving planes, but you don't hear of the thousands that fly safely to their destinations daily.

Anonymous said...

Agree with 11:04. Such cowardice. Did our fathers really win WW2? Imagine Iwo Jima today. Every Marine would hit the beach with a personal Life Coach. Time to dive in -- with vaccine -- and live. The fool who wrote above about the vaccine killing people is such a mushy, mewling little worm. Where are Men and Women of substance?

Anonymous said...

No one is going to convince most of the unvaccinated to get the vaccine. They’ve made their decision. The government can waste time knocking on doors. Maybe they’ll get a percent or two to change there minds but those I know who are unvaccinated are not changing their mind any time soon and will be rude to any door knockers. I’m vaccinated. Don’t care who else is. Living my life. Wish we had a cdc and fda we can trust but we don’t.
10:41. Democrats ran with don’t trust the vaccine before the election. Tweet after tweet after tweet. Just scrolled through a whole bunch. Biden succeed? Lol. He doesn’t need anyone’s help to fail. Example ICE (immigration, not UFT) confirmed that 30% of those crossing border illegally are refusing vaccine. You know, the same illegal migrants that Biden is putting on buses and planes to a town near you. 172,000 border crossings in March alone. That’s over 50,000 unvaccinated people in one month. But yeah,it’s the right wingers who are the problem.

Anonymous said...

@ 1:29 "Lol, he doesn't anyone's help to fail". Uh. HELLO, this is what a Republican Senator said "Sen Tommy Tuberville of Alabama said vaccine skeptics would not get vaccinated until “this administration acknowledges the efforts of the last one,”. That's some crazy shit, disgraceful, and yes, it is legit to say that Republicans would rather people die than see Biden succeed.

As for Immigrants - maybe it's all the bellyaching that everyone is doing about making the vaccine mandatory. I don't support that one bit, get the vaccine or go back. But nice try at deflection because everyone saw right wing wackos celebrating when Biden didn't meet the vaccination goals. My comment stands.

Anonymous said...

ROFLMAO @ 12:35 "mushy, mewling little worm". You forgot liar, "mushy, mewling lying little worm".

Anonymous said...

"I’m vaccinated. Don’t care who else is. Living my life". Selfish much? Many people can't get the vaccine because of medical conditions and you have idiots listening to Fox thinking it's all a plot against them. Not to mention, I'm sick and tired of wearing this damned mask. So for those who refuse to get the vaccine, they should be forced to wear the mask, but how do you tell vaccinated from unvaccinated without a vaccine passport because once again Republicans says government shouldn't interfere, while they interfere in what companies can or cannot do with their workers and customers. So it's ok for those who did the right thing to be forced to wear a mask so that the crybaby unvaccinated don't get their feelings hurt. GTFOOH.

Anonymous said...

One thing I think we can all agree on is that all these variants are forms of fear mongering for fauci to stay relevant.

Anonymous said...

@9:32 don't be ridiculous. Do you seriously believe that foreign countries are making up the existence of variants to keep Fauci relevant? Besides, where has he said anything that is fear-mongering? Everything I've heard him say is rational and reasonable. Not the fear-mongering hysteria of Fox News against the vaccine.

Anonymous said...

1224,

Variants and news hyping them up are all about fear mongering.

Go and live life !

Anonymous said...

Wah wah wah, name call, promote controlling and forcing people, stomp your little feet all you want and yet STILL here we are with me telling you I’m not going to do any of the shit you want me to do.

James Eterno said...

Anon 2323, We use Media Bias Fact Check at this blog. We are not going to publish sources here that they rate as Very Low on factual reporting.

Sorry, but here is what Media Bias Fact Check stated on a source you just linked to.


Overall, we rate xxxxx based on extreme right-wing bias, promotion of conspiracies, and numerous instances of publishing false (fake) news.
Detailed Report
Questionable Reasoning: Propaganda, Conspiracy, Nationalism, Some Fake News, Numerous Failed Fact Checks
Bias Rating: EXTREME RIGHT
Factual Reporting: VERY LOW
Country: USA (44/180 Press Freedom)
Media Type: Website
Traffic/Popularity: High Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: LOW CREDIBILITY

Anonymous said...

ANON2323 I AM TOTALLY WITH YOU.JAMES YOU MUST REALIZE THE THE SO CALLED FACT CHECKERS ARE THE FOXES GUARDING THE HEN HOUSE.highly respected doctors are having licenses revoked for expressing a vax opinion different from the narrative.the fact that censorship and personal threats by those in power to those who want to have a dialogue about the shots should be a huge red flag about the scary agenda and the threat to democracy. Let's see u what happens in a few years.meanwhile many who try to report side effects and deaths to VAERS are not able to.very suspicious.and many in the cdc won't take the shot.hmmm. to those taking advantage of remote learning, shame on you.to those who brag, double shame.you make the rest of us look awful.as for me, I am remote.i will not have visits including Thanksgiving with my family because despite my mask and their shots, they are still afraid of me.i only shop for food.no in person indoor visits, no movies,etc.i resent all the phonies making it bad for me and blaming me and other unvaccinated for the uptick...the fact that vaxxed peeps will get covid was predicted by the so called conspiracy theorists. I guess we were wrong about the Wuhan lab too, huh!why would Mercola and others risk it all for fake stuff??also u have to wonder why covid treatments are being suppressed...
MEANWHILE DUMB DIBLASIO IS URGING EVERYONE TO ATTEND THE UPCOMING WOODSTOCK STYLE CONCERTS THAT HE PLANNED IN EACH BOROUGH UNMASKED WHILE THE VIRUS INCREASES.THEN BLAME THE UNVACCINATED!
THE DUDE IS DANGEROUS!I WILL LINK THAT ARTICLE AND AN ARTICLE SHOWING HOW A QUEENS HOSPITAL DELIBERATELT KILLED PEOPLE.

Anonymous said...

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/new-york-elections-government/ny-nyc-covid-uptick-de-blasio-concerts-20210722-7wl6wtgh6rdutp4dsfvw3gujze-story.html

Anonymous said...

James, why are you giving this clown special treatment. Do you provide a full explication and rationale to every post you block. He knows the game he's playing. He knows the info he's dishing is false. It's all part of the fun. Just block it and let it go. While you're at it, block every reference to paying dues. End that conversation once and for all.

Anonymous said...

@10:00, oh my, do you need a pacifier? "Yet, STILL here we are with me telling you I'm not doing blah, blah". Are you an adult? What is anyone trying to force you to do, little one? Grab your crayons and draw a picture, and don't let anyone try and bully you.

James Eterno said...

We go out of our way to be fair here to all sides but commenters need to back up what they say with legitimate sources (Fox News is accepted). Media Bias Fact Check gives Fox News and MSNBC the same mixed ratings so we are only asking for a minimal degree of legitimacy.

Anonymous said...

I agree 9:04. I was surprised that dangerous propaganda was let through at all. It's a right wing trick to wail about "freedom of speech" because they want their lies to stand. They'll claim that you have a right to challenge, but why should anyone have to waste a second of their time debunking proven lies again, and again, and again. The same ones who want to cancel Cardi B, Colin Kaepernick, NFL, CNN, MSNBC are the ones screeching loudest about Freedom of Speech. They're nothing but hypocrites.

Still, I think if it *is* going to go through, and the poster is whining about sources, then James is debunking it quite thoroughly.

Anonymous said...

The pharmaceuticals are the life blood of the media.who is biased, praytell?

Anonymous said...

938. Awww whatsamatter, daddy? You lose control of your own kids and want to control everyone else? Hahaha . More name calling. I’m soooo offended, dick.

Anonymous said...

From Media Bias Fact Check:

Overall, we rate MSNBC Left Biased based on story selection that consistently favors the establishment left. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting due to news hosts and the website producing 3 pants on fire claims.


We rate Fox News strongly Right-Biased due to editorial positions and story selection that favors the right. We also rate them Mixed factually and borderline Questionable based on poor sourcing and the spreading of conspiracy theories. Fox News has also been deemed the least accurate cable news source, according to Politifact.

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One spreads conspiracy theories. I wonder how many "pants on fire" claims Fox News reported - probably too many to even count.

Anonymous said...

@10:00 more whining. But ewww, now you're calling me daddy? Seems like you're the one with "daddy" issues.

Your pathetic post: "Wah wah wah, name call, promote controlling and forcing people, stomp your little feet all you want and yet STILL here we are with me telling you I’m not going to do any of the shit you want me to do."

As long as YOU'RE not name calling, right?? Do you realize how stupid you sound crying about someone namecalling? LOL. What a clown.

Anonymous said...

For the millionth time, stop watching mainstream corporate news… Fox,cnn,msnbc etc…. Lies and fear mongering. All of it.

James Eterno said...

I will listen to credible alternative sources. Key word is credible.

Anon2323 said...

@6:07 you are gone to the world think Biden was going to succeed, the fact he has any credibility in your altered perception is scary, to say the least. Cuomo, Whitmer, Murphy already killed 20,000 plus allowing sick covid patients into nursing homes where your buddy Biden needs to be.

Does anyone not believe this was from Wuhan? This was an attack and China should pay 10 trillion to our country.

Fauci helped fund this research and has been flip-flopping since beginning. How did this Keebler elf know in 2017 Trump would surely come into a pandemic during his presidency hmmmm 🧐🧐🧐🧐🧐.

I used NBC as a source, any liberal site as well as big tech are all bias. If these were republicans be talking about this none stop but the bias stench stinks so we stay quiet.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/3-fully-vaccinated-texas-delegation-members-test-positive-covid-n1274278

Media bias claims CNN only mixed after 4 years of propaganda and falsely reporting stories. I do not like fox yet media bias says fox "borderline Questionable based on poor sourcing and the spreading of conspiracy theories." Wasnt fox correct on Russia gate, both impeachments, Nicholas Sandmann, kavabaugh, and coutnless more?

Go ahead scroll through the thousands of people who were injured or died from taking either one or both jabs.

https://t.me/s/covidvaccineinjuries

waitingforsupport said...

Im surprised that to hear that mainstream corporate news spread lies and are fear mongering. When did it start? It was never such a huge topic on this blog. It's only in tbe last few years that some folks are doubting mainstream corporate news. I mean some folks have been yelling about the mainstream media's depiction of them as well as its bias in what it reports but those folks were labeled as crazy, irrational, lying,etc. Lol some people even said, "if ya don't like how the news is reported, go back to your country". But here we are screaming about the media's reporting. The only reason I can come up with why folks now believe that the media is biased, is that leader Trump started saying it. Am i right?

James Eterno said...

You are persistent, Anon2323. The rebuttal from CDC:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

Over 338 million doses of COVID-19 vaccine have been given in the United States from December 14, 2020, through July 19, 2021.

COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective. COVID-19 vaccines were evaluated in tens of thousands of participants in clinical trials. The vaccines met the Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA) rigorous scientific standards for safety, effectiveness, and manufacturing quality needed to support emergency use authorization (EUA).

Millions of people in the United States have received COVID-19 vaccines since they were authorized for emergency use by FDA. These vaccines have undergone and will continue to undergo the most intensive safety monitoring in U.S. history. This monitoring includes using both established and new safety monitoring systems to make sure that COVID-19 vaccines are safe.

James Eterno said...

More from CDC:

Serious Safety Problems Are Rare
To date, the systems in place to monitor the safety of these vaccines have found only two serious types of health problems after vaccination, both of which are rare. These are anaphylaxis and thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) after vaccination with J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine.

Anaphylaxis
A small number of people have had a severe allergic reaction (called “anaphylaxis”) after vaccination, but this is rare. Anaphylaxis can occur after any vaccination. If this occurs, vaccination providers have medicines available to effectively and immediately treat the reaction.

After you get a COVID-19 vaccine, you will be asked to stay for 15–30 minutes so you can be observed in case you have a severe allergic reaction and need immediate treatment.

Thrombosis with Thrombocytopenia Syndrome (TTS) after Vaccination with J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccination
After receiving the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine, there is risk for a rare but serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets (thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome, or TTS). Women younger than 50 years old should especially be aware of their increased risk for this rare adverse event. There are other COVID-19 vaccines available for which this risk has not been seen.

This adverse event is rare, occurring at a rate of about 7 per 1 million vaccinated women between 18 and 49 years old. For women 50 years and older and men of all ages, this adverse event is even more rare.

Cases of myocarditis and pericarditis in adolescents and young adults have been reported more often after getting the second dose than after the first dose of one of these two mRNA COVID-19 vaccines. These reports are rare and the known and potential benefits of COVID-19 vaccination outweigh the known and potential risks, including the possible risk of myocarditis or pericarditis.

Anonymous said...

@Anon2323, you are arguing a strawman because no one said anything about Biden's "credibility' on anything specific and certainly not in the 6:07 post - so it is YOUR thinking that is altered and skewed because you see counter-arguments that aren't there. No surprise from someone who posts JUNK and expects others not to notice. And of COURSE no one is going to have faith that he will succeed in righting this sinking ship as long as he is dealing with obstructions and cultists who are hell-bent on seeing to it that he doesn't, even as they handed him a pile of shyt to clean up after.

Biden needs to be in a nursing home, then TRUMP and his enablers need to be in the Psych Ward, along with the rest of you. LOL. Most of your post is a discombobulated mess. Hopefully you're not an English teacher. LOL. WTF is all that?

Anonymous said...

Anonw323 is an embarrassment to the profession. Can't write, can't spell, writes all sorts of lies. Why not give him a rest? If u don't want to block him, just add following... This commenter has proven himself to be an Imbecile.

Anonymous said...

1125 - just as you kooks blame everyone else for your poor teaching practices, here you are, very predictably blaming everyone else for Trump's failures. He came riding the waves of a very healthy economy and promptly went about obsessing overturning any and everything associated with Obama, including consumer protections, water quality, tried overturning lunch programs for needy children, my God, they were even so small and vile as to overturn one of Michelle's signature programs on her birthday.

So now, it's everybody's fault that Republicans spent a year, and more, denying that COVID was even a thing. Continued holding super-spreader events at the encouragement of Trump. China should pay trillions for your OWN culpability in this fiasco. Spare us the crocodile tears about the nursing homes - Republicans were very vocal about letting the elderly fend for themselves. They've lived long enough, they said. Why should the rest of us suffer just because their old and vulnerable. DISGUSTING. So you can take your loudmouth hysteria and put it where the sun don't shine.

Anonymous said...


"A conservative Tennessee-based talk radio host has changed his previously skeptical messaging on vaccines after being hospitalized with COVID-19, his family said.

Phil Valentine, who has posted on social media dissuading his audience from getting vaccinated if they aren't "in danger of dying" from COVID, has been hospitalized in the critical care unit and is receiving supplemental oxygen, but is not on a ventilator, according to his brother.

"Mark Valentine said he got vaccinated after his brother's sickness. A post on the station's Facebook page from the family says that Valentine plans to advocate for vaccinations once he recovers and returns to the airwaves."

"Please continue to pray for his recovery and PLEASE GO GET VACCINATED!" his family said in the statement."

I wonder how many people got sick following his bad advice.

Anonymous said...

Liberals so angry they can’t control you. Don’t care what Trump, Biden, Fox, CNN has to say. No forced vaccinations.

Anon2323 said...


@12:43- IDIOT ALERT! Dictator Biden has made 50 plus executive orders look where we stand highest inflation 13 years and gas prices getting closer to 3.50. Dems have control of house and senate too πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚.

@1:03 can't spell you wrote "anonw323" πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚. I have proven myself to be correct, when the audit comes back it will vindicate me even more!

@5:19 that is a fair article to show, this guy is 61 still kind of young, still more risk than healthy young adults and kids.

Speaking of Tennessee all these vaccinated people testing positive.
https://www.wkrn.com/news/1000-breakthrough-cases-of-covid-19-reported-in-tennessee/

Most of this is true because the PCR test is an absolute fraud that gives false/positives. Listen to Fauci say it too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A867t1JbIrs

https://www.fda.gov/media/134922/download (pg 36)

https://catholiccitizens.org/news/94232/covid-cases-plummet-after-who-changes-testing-protocol-on-bidens-inauguration-day/

Anonymous said...

7:30 "Liberals so angry they can't control you". That's good for a morning laugh. Says the right winger who wants to control what companies can do with their own businesses. Want to control NFL player actions. Want to control what rap artists can sing. Caught on camera having meltdowns demanding that people take off their masks. Acting like Karens demanding that people show their papers to walk on a sidewalk. But oh no, vaccinations. That's never happened before in this country's history.

Do us all a favor and don't get vaccinated, and go hang out in crowded places. LOL. But don't go crying to be let into the workplace, or the Universities, or go into a store unmasked infringing on the rest of us.

James Eterno said...

Anon2323 is at it again. Now it is CT values.


https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-critical-thinking/covid-19-pcr-test-reliable-despite-commotion-about-ct-values

The COVID-19 PCR Test Is Reliable Despite the Commotion About Ct Values
The people sharing the claim that COVID-19 PCR testing is not reliable because of high Ct values are just amplifying noise.

James Eterno said...

More from McGill University:

As the COVID-19 pandemic raged on, some people decided that the disease was nowhere near as severe as we had been told and looked for ways to discredit public health efforts. One of their alleged smoking guns? The laboratory test for COVID-19, called a PCR test, was not being done properly, they told us. The Ct values were apparently too high and the test was spitting out random noise. The COVID-19 PCR test, they decided, was a broken machine churning out false positives and fear.

None of this is true. In my laboratory days, I did countless PCRs, and I want to explain what a PCR is, what those Ct values are and what they mean, and why the scientists interpreting these tests actually know what they are doing...

In a way, it’s not unlike chicken soup. Many families have their own recipe. As long as it’s been internally validated, meaning that it looks like chicken soup and tastes like chicken soup and the people eating it are happy with it, it’s a perfectly functional chicken soup. PCR tests come in many different flavours, but as long as they are validated (by using a known quantity of virus, diluting it many times and running these samples to see what Ct values they generate), they are reliable. They are not perfect, because no test is perfect, but they are absolutely not the futile garbage some folks on the Internet would have you believe.

The pandemic saw a rise in armchair experts, people who had never stepped foot in a laboratory suddenly learning about PCR and thinking, as in true crime dramas, that they had cracked the case wide open. But the interpretation of PCR tests for the coronavirus relies on a lot more than a single Ct value: it depends on all of the above “chicken soup” variability, plus the type of specimen collected, whether or not samples are pooled in a single well to save on reagents (with positive pools being tested individually afterwards), and on pre-test probability, meaning whether or not the person being tested has symptoms and whether or not they were potentially exposed to the virus.
The blind reliance on Ct values unfortunately shows a misunderstanding of the complexities of molecular diagnostics. Ct values are not elementary; they require expertise to interpret.

Take-home message:
- Some people claim, wrongly, that the PCR test for the coronavirus is useless because the so-called Ct values are too high and the test is picking up things that are not the coronavirus
- The PCR tests for the coronavirus that have been internally validated by public health agencies are actually very reliable
- Scientists cannot declare any result above a certain Ct value to be unreliable because Ct values are somewhat relative and must be interpreted by taking into account a variety of factors.

Anonymous said...

8:00 - LYING DERANGED DUMMY ON THE LOOSE (see I can use caps too). Of course Biden has signed a lot of executive orders to overturn AUTHORITARIAN Trump's deranged orders. Democrats have control of the Senate in name only as Manchin is putting a wrench into plans, written about before the election, and understood with anyone with half a brain.

I couldn't give a fuck about rising inflation and 3.50 gas prices. I'd pay $10 not to have a PSYCHOPATH AUTHORITARIAN like Trump in office. The infrastructure plan would help boost the economy but of course we have the deranged Republicans are playing obstructionist, which is what they do best.

According to Moody's:

"Greater investments in public infrastruc­ture and social programs will lift productivity and labor force growth, and the attention on climate change will help forestall its increas­ingly corrosive economic effects,” Zandi concludes. “Moreover, the policies being considered would direct the benefits of the stronger growth to lower-in­come Americans and address the long-run­ning skewing of the income and wealth distribution. Passage of legislation is far from certain but failing to pass legislation would certainly diminish the economy’s prospects.”

Anonymous said...

8:00 writing "anonw2323" is a TYPO unlike your half-baked, incoherent, ramblings. But you forgot all of this "Can't write, can't spell, writes all sorts of lies".

Anonymous said...

How nice it would be if some of the propaganda sleuths would put, or if retired would have taken as much effort in trying to hone their teaching skills.

When posting a link Anon2323 the rabid propagandist wrote: "Most of this is true because the PCR test is an absolute fraud that gives false/positives. Listen to Fauci say it too".

But if you actually waste time clicking on the link the article actually says: "During a news briefing, Dr. Lisa Piercey, the Commissioner for the Tennessee Department of Health, discussed the “breakthrough” cases and revealed 195 of those fully vaccinated residents who tested positive for the virus had been hospitalized.

She added 27 of the patients had died."

And this: "Dr. Piercey added the state, at one point recently, had less than 200 virus patients hospitalized, but the number is now well over 500."

"The state’s health commissioner added that almost all of the hospitalizations and deaths among Tennesseans are still among the unvaccinated.

Dr. Piercey said 97% of all hospitalizations and more than 98% of deaths are residents who have not received the vaccine."

Whatever else you think of the GARBAGE and JUNK that Anon is posting, how does the above translate to "because the PCR test is an absolute fraud that gives false/positives". Clearly he/she is the absolute fraud or does he really not know how to READ at all??


waitingforsupport said...

@9:37 just issued a knockout punch. Bout is O-V-E-R.
Mic drop.

waitingforsupport said...

Ha ha ha ha ha... not discombobulated. Now that tickled me.

Anonymous said...

Other than a couple of posts from people asking about their money the posts are this thread are responding to the question about whether or not people want a remote option UNTIL Anon2323 came in with this unhinged, off-topic rant which started with "LOl Sean Hannity has been saying this for 7 months, use your discretion, be a critical thinker. To everyone who has been vaccinated, basically as a guinea pig".

He comes on this board, craps all over it, adds links that are either filled with LIES, or doesn't support what he wrote under it, while others go around thoroughly debunking it. Then he cackles "haha, I'm right, you're wrong". WTF is up with that?

waitingforsupport said...

@12:31 pm...
WTF is that? Maybe they are a loopy loop. Much like the Tasmanian devil, loopy loops' sole purpose is to muck sh^t up. They are short tempered dim witted and can be calmed by Idiot-speak. This is why many connect with the Trumpster. He is the CEO of the loopy loops. Now one must remember to not engage with a loopy if you don't want to be lead down a rabbit hole. Stay safe and remember: Don't engage! LMAO

Anonymous said...

4:46 I agree 100%. Although, I do get a kick snacking their lies down, time and again, but it becomes like whack a mole. Definitely loopy. LOL

waitingforsupport said...

Ha ha ha ha...
And I enjoy reading your on point smack downs!!!