Wednesday, September 15, 2021

MANDATED VACCINES FOR NY EDUCATORS POLLS QUITE WELL IN NY (Updated with some Recent Covid Numbers)

 This is in the NY Post:

ALBANY — A majority of New Yorkers support mandatory COVID-19 vaccination requirements for teachers and other school employees, as well as indoor mask mandates, according to a new poll.

Sixty nine percent of registered voters agree that public school teachers and staff should be required to get the vaccine compared to 26 percent of those opposed, according to the new survey by Siena College released Tuesday.

The notion has even higher support in New York City — 72 percent — followed by a 71 percent support among suburbanites and 65 percent of upstate voters.

Eighty three percent of Democrats back the mandate, along with 55 percent of Republicans and 59 percent of Independent voters. 

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio has mandated all city Department of Education employees get the shot or face termination — a move opposed by the powerful teachers union — but workers may apply for medical or religious exemptions. 

School districts outside the five boroughs can offer a little more flexibility, instructing employees to get the jab or opt to submit to weekly coronavirus tests, according to the state Health Department. 

Folks against the vaccine are dying, some conservative radio hosts iterally, on a hill that is very difficult to understand defending. We're now up to 1 in 500 Americans who have died due to this awful virus. That's 663,913 American residents.

58 comments:

Anonymous said...

Day 2… and 218 positive cases among staff and students….. yeaaaa this was a brilliant idea!! Everything is going great!

Anonymous said...

What good is it if they never force the students and they’ll never force the students.

Anonymous said...

that pretty much is a useless poll only designed to support one sides views on the mandate. I guarantee you if all those people polled were also asked Should teachers have to work harder and longer hours during the day and give up their summers to help the students - almost 100% would say YES absolutely.

Anonymous said...

218 cases out of a million? Is that bad?

Anonymous said...

Who gives a shit about this poll? The fact remains that NYC/UFT is the only teacher union job trying to mandate vaccines in the entire state. Gov says all school districts can have teachers test out.

Anonymous said...

Bus drivers and bus monitors should also be vaccinated. They sometimes deal with a very fragile population. But I think I saw in one of the upstate newspapers that there are no mandates for them in NYS.

Anonymous said...

The most damning article about vaccines yet
British doctors now openly beg for more lockdowns because they say they can’t rely on vaccines

This new piece from Reuters - hardly a outpost of anti-vax fanaticism - should terrify vaccine advocates.

And, honestly, scare the rest of us.

A reminder: Britain has pursued a mass vaccination strategy as aggressively as any country. It approved Pfizer’s vaccine even before the FDA. More than 80% of Britons are now fully vaccinated.

But Britain is in far worse shape than it was at this time last year, when no one was vaccinated. It is now averaging about 140 deaths a day, roughly 10 times as many as mid-September 2020. And hospitalizations and deaths continue to rise.

Anonymous said...

A million? LOL. How many were tested? Very few. No tests in my school yet.

nerd said...

This is the same union that didn't opt out (apply for a waiver) of teacher observations and APPR last year while the rest of the school districts in the state did.

Unknown said...

Some kids cant get to school.shortage of drivers and matrons.dont wanna work cuz they get lots of stim money and benefits for staying home.why doesnt doe pay for metrocard and cab like they once threatened in a strike?

Anonymous said...

If u get a permanent exemption, that really means u never step foot in a classroom till retirement and get top money for paperwork??insane!!and dumb brcause most kids not vaxxed.hospital workets up close and personal no longer mandated but we might be??
I think i have a good shot at an exemption.i want to be in school, nit an office!costly and stupid.worse than sleepy joe, who admits he is a puppet.cant make this dumb stuff up!only in ny!

Anonymous said...

James is so desperate to manufacture consent. Why can’t he be as honest as this Israeli Health Minister?

Imposing “green pass” rules on certain venues is needed only to pressure members of the public to get vaccinated, and not for medical reasons, Israeli Health Minister Nitzan Horowitz said on Sunday, ahead of the weekly Cabinet meeting,” reports Jewish News Syndicate.

Unaware that his words were being broadcast live to the nation on Channel 12, Horowitz told Interior Minister Ayelet Shaked that not only should the green pass be removed as a requirement to dine at outdoor restaurants, but also, “For swimming pools, too, not just in restaurants.”

“Epidemiologically, it’s true,” said Horowitz, adding, “The thing is, I’m telling you, our problem is people who don’t get vaccinated. We need [to influence] them a bit; otherwise, we won’t get out of this [pandemic situation].”

The health minister went on to acknowledge that the system wasn’t even being enforced in most venues.

Anonymous said...

Was it the UFT or DOE that should have opted out?

Anonymous said...

We had exactly zero ineffective ratings last year and under 1% developing. So, know your shit b4 you criticize.

James Eterno said...

How many developing did all of the other districts in the state have where they waived the ratings? I believe it is zero.

Anonymous said...

So covid is only dangerous for peasants? Not aoc or Pelosi or this sophisticated person...
A or B: Which part of the quote by maskless School Board Member forcing masks is best? MUST PICK ONE

A) "I think people at football games are adults, and they can make their own decisions" Brown said

B) "I complied with the freaking policy even though I probably didnt have to"

Sarasota Schools chairwoman seen maskless at football game after pushing mask policy https://heraldtribune.com/story/news/2021/09/14/sarasota-schools-chairwoman-shirley-brown-seen-mask-free-after-pushing-mask-policy/8323510002/ via @HeraldTribune

Anonymous said...

Who cares about the poll. 70% of people are either ignorant or stupid. No talk about natural immunity from the bureaucrat in a lab coat. The vaccinated who are clucking about the unvaccinated only care about themselves. They don't feel safe even after being vaccinated. So they think this will elevate their anxiety.It won't. They will find something else to be afraid of. They have been hopelessly GASLIT.
This is how it feels to be ruled by the mentally ill.

Anonymous said...

Would love to know he James condones this.

No mask & she gets into a gas guzzler.. what happened to Climate Change? Oh yeah… that’s right.. austerity is for us plebs.
She is part of the ruling class that exempts itself from the draconian restrictions they place on us.

Anonymous said...

It doesn't matter what the dummies from the polls have to say, it matters what the courts rule on the matter. And just recently a NY federal court judge imposed a temporary injunction on behalf of a variety of plaintiffs from 17 area hospitals. The plaintiffs included doctors, nurses, and technicians. They argued that the vaccine employed aborted fetus cell lines in their testing, development, production and went against their religious beliefs.
This whole mess is going to end up with the Supreme Court soon and they will rule in favor of religious exemption as well as medical exemption. Have nice day. :)

Anonymous said...

Interesting how those clowns in Washington exempted themselves from the vaccine mandate. And you wonder why nobody with any sense trusts their government?

Anonymous said...

10:57, oh yeah, I'm sure all of those doctors, and nurses and technicians are soooo concerned about aborted fetuc cell lines in testing and development. Great for them that they found a loophole but they're not fooling anybody. Hell, even the Pope is wondering what the hell is wrong with those people. LOL. You're all a bunch of hypocrites who've been brainwashed into being afraid of a vaccine and now want to hide behind religion.

Anonymous said...

Do people really still put faith in polls? Polls are PR not real data.

The Veteran NY Teacher said...

No doubt the vaccine mandate and other restrictions announced by Biden will poll as more popular in places like NY and CA and less popular in other areas.

Is anyone surprised there will be cases of Covid (asymptomatic and otherwise) amongst the staff and students in our massive district during a pandemic? Given the science regarding kids and covid AND the effectiveness of the vaccine, I’m not at panic level.

Just an endangered CL said...

I'm sure the "polls" would also support teachers working longer hours and more days per year. One day James they will have a mandate that you don't approve of and others will cheer! Freedom dies in silence.

Just an endangered CL said...

Sorry 4:50, I didn't realize you said the same thing.
Useless poll indeed.

Too many people are believing the lies spread by politicians and their paid "scientists". The CDC is not collecting ALL the data on the side effects (they stopped doing that in May), instead they only collect data if the person was hospitalized. This skews the truth. There are some very extreme and long lasting side effects, of this "vaccine" that doesn't prevent getting COVID nor stop the asymptomatic spreading of it. How many staff members have you seen without masks? They're the vaccinated who are spreading this disease and go around parroting the media.

I'm vaccinated. I had a bad side effect. I regret allowing myself to be forced to get this vaccine so I could be "rewarded" by getting to work for the DOE. I fully support the unvaccinated and am against this mandate.

Anonymous said...

The anti-vaccine comments are depressing. If the anti-vaxxers would take the disease seriously-wear a mask, social distance- then I'd have more respect for them. True, most people don't die or end up in the hospital, but there is no way to know if that will be you.

I remember the morning of 9/11/2001, another teacher told me that her boyfriend called and said the twin towers were hit by an airplane. I scoffed at this. She brushed me aside. Of course she was right.

Sometimes, when people talk out of ignorance and don't want to listen, there's nothing more we can do.

Good luck to all.

Anonymous said...

4:13

218 positive cases out of a million is an argument that this is working and your post seems more argumentative and trying to find a "gotcha" moment than based on facts.

For those that say only a small amount get tested it also means that only a small amount of those not tested are showing symptoms, show a need to be evaluated, or are failing the screening. If these were flu numbers they would be remarkable for how low they are. No screening system is perfect but also keep in mind that if it's Day 2 those positives were NOT contracted in a school building. Screening found 218 that were not properly checked at home and tried to get in. That's an approx .000218% positivity rate.

I am open minded and fair but use logic when it comes to these arguments so come back a week from now with numbers 4:13 and then let's see if I agree with you but right now you proved the point that schools can be open.

Anonymous said...

I just love the hypocrites who become super religious when it suits their convenience. Few have darkened the door of a congregation or contributed a penny to institutional upkeep since they were twelve....much less practiced any tenets of their upbringing...

jr said...

Not anti vaccine. Just would love to understand the hypocrisy.

Great stuff by
@rkylesmith
-- Masks for waiters and servants — but not for AOC and the rest https://nypost.com/2021/09/15/masks-for-waiters-and-servants-but-not-for-aoc-and-the-rest/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons
via
@nypost

Anonymous said...

The pro COVID people listen to nothing but right wing media. Facts are bothersome to them. I found this from AP.

"Now in Kentucky, one-third of new cases are under age 18," he said. Some children brought it home from summer camp and spread it to the rest of the family, and now, "between day care and schools and school activities, and friends getting together, there are just so many exposures."

In Alabama, hundreds of COVID-19 patients fill intensive care units, and one hospital contacted 43 others in three states to find a specialty cardiac ICU bed for Ray Martin DeMonia. It wasn't soon enough. The 73-year-old died Sept. 1.

"In honor of Ray, please get vaccinated if you have not, in an effort to free up resources for non-COVID related emergencies," his family pleaded in his obituary.

Anonymous said...

Let's face facts: Most teachers who are against the vaccine mandate simply do not want to continue to work in our shit hole schools and it has nothing to do with Covid. Bloomberg totally destroyed teaching as a career in NYC. Who could blame any teacher looking for a way out or a temporary reprieve from the hell that we have to deal with? After years of abusive working conditions via tyrant administration and an oppressive DOE management, most teachers are on "survival mode" just trying to get to that magic 55 pension.

Anonymous said...

And here we are...
I just got a notice that my daughter's whole 6th-grade pod at her school has to quarantine until the 27th. Luckily for me and her, she's been out of school waiting for remote instruction so.....Now I have to wait to see what kind of schedule they will give her????

Anonymous said...

Haha just taking after the hypocrites on the left. MY BODY,MY CHOICE

Anonymous said...

We are not anti Vax fool, we are PRO CHOICE

Anonymous said...

I am a Christian and it goes against religious beliefs, too bad that you don't like that.

Anonymous said...

We never beat small pox, polio, measles or anything if you anti Vax, I mean pro choice, assholes were in control.

Anonymous said...

You are choosing to not get the vaccine - hence anti vax
Hahahhahaha

James Eterno said...

I have said so many times to check sources to make sure they are reliable. We use Media Bias-Fact Check generally. Here is what they said about one of the sources someone tried to post a link to this morning:

"Overall, we rate (this source) an extreme right Tin-Foil Hat Conspiracy website based on the promotion of unproven/debunked claims and a Strong Pseudoscience purveyor based on using junk science to support claims."

Stop wasting your time and mine.

Anonymous said...

Guy who writes this blog is such a tool of the establishment but thinks he's so enlightened.

Anonymous said...

Friend confirmed there's a positive student case at yet another HS. That's three HS in Manhattan. And not one teacher I know has less than 30 in each class. Most are over 34.

Infections continue. Remember, 1 infection gets spread from class to class.

MORE-UFT
@MOREcaucusUFT
And remember HS students go to 7-9 classes per day. If we have even 1 student case inevitably hundreds of students are exposed daily. We need to increase COVID testing
@NYCMayor
in
@NYCschools
. 10% of unvaxxed students twice a month is garbage and won't stop in-school spread.

Anonymous said...

By a tool of the establishment I assume you mean he is actually sane

Prehistoric pedagogue said...

Most teachers are in favor of anything that will open the public’s mind,open the public’s wallet and close
The public’s schools. Assuming, of course, they still get paid.

Anonymous said...

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but Biden’s masks + vaccines strategy for stopping Covid is clearly failing

Vermont, with the highest vaccination rate in the country — 88% of adults at least partially vaccinated & 79% fully vaccinated — is about to set a new high in COVID cases, just 3.5 months after Fauci said with 50% of adults vaccinated we wouldn’t see significant surges.

Whoops!

Anonymous said...

Latest Confirmed Positive COVID Cases: September 15, 2021 as of 6 PM:
Total 403 Students 230 Staff 173

Pretty soon somebody will die at about 1% rate, sadly.





Anonymous said...

10:04 When NY and California feared hospitals would be overrun, Trump sent military hospitals. Guess Biden’s dropping the ball in Alabama. Or it’s exaggerated fake news.

Anonymous said...


Mark Treyger Red apple
@MarkTreyger718

Received a report that one positive case in a high school led to several dozen students having to quarantine because students sit in different classes throughout the day. Sizable number out and it is still unclear what instruction will look like for these students.

James Eterno said...

One comment not put through because of a unreliable source. He/she tries another almost as equally unreliable.

Media Bias Fact Check

"In review, (this source) really only does two things: link to other right biased news stories or publish their own, often with minimal dialogue that relies on video or tweet sourcing."

Anonymous said...

New York Post
@nypost
·
5m
NYC's COVID-19 spending for schools could lead to 'fiscal cliff,' audit warns https://trib.al/XkofTY3

Anon2323 said...

Some bad news for you snowflakes who are living in a scared bubble!!! The mandate is not going to stand, cops, municipal, health care, and we will be next. Might have to test once a week, oh well. There is a temporary restraining order we will still have a job on 27th god willing, looking better.

You put your trust in phizer 😂😂. Hope nobody here is taking Chantix 🤮🤮.

https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/criminal-defense/pfizer-hit-with-largest-criminal-fine-in-us-history/

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/pfizer-recalls-all-lots-anti-smoking-drug-over-carcinogen-presence-2021-09-16/

Anonymous said...

If the NY DOE can shit on you by not paying spring break, then they can shit on you in other ways. How about next working summers and overtime without pay?
Mulgrew is all for this contempt of teachers.

Keep bringing up the spring break pay. You are all owed $4,000 for overtime double pay rate
for Spring break plus interest.

Anonymous said...

Where oh where is the uft? Not worth the $62 per check anymore.
It was 87 degrees in my classroom yesterday (yes,I have a thermometer). No windows to open. I almost passed out

Anonymous said...

NYC spending on De Blasio's wife's crazy programs put NYC over a fiscal cliff.
The NY Post is ignoring important facts about De Blasio and his wife.

The UFT and teachers are not lending institutions. We do not owe the city money.
Sorry NY Post editorial staff, but our salaries and benefits are not the go to "piggy bank" for corrupt NY city politicians.

Doug said...

So you are censoring evidence of conspired medical fraud because it goes against your fear mongering narrative?

Way to champion the First Amendment and civil discourse !

Maybe Twitter will hire you for your excellent work as a censor and establishment shill.

Educat said...

man you are hysterical

Educat said...

Yeah and most idiots pushing for vaccines are ignorant of this

James Eterno said...

Doug, Follow the comment rules and I will print it. Standards that I expected in class from students are not too much to expect from adults. Anon 2323 usually finds reputable sources and when he does, I print the comments. I disagree with him often enough but at least he usually doesn't waste his time or my time quoting from far-right sources that fact-checkers easily debunk that I wouldn't accept from a high school student's assignment.

I understand that we are working from two sets of realities and it scares me. I saw this from a CNN poll yesterday:

"Among [Republicans], 78% said that Biden did not win enough votes to legitimately win the election. That's right: 8 in 10 Republicans think that Biden didn't win the election.
Which, well, wow. What those numbers make clear is that among Republicans, Donald Trump and the Big Lie he is telling are winning. Winning is a relative term, of course. Because building a political party around a lie is the quickest way to destroy a political party.
The Point: The Trump fever didn't break after the 2020 election. In fact, it's running hotter than ever."

Keeping Trump around motivated Democrats to come out and save Gavin Newsom in California big time. That said, two sets of realities are not good for the country, particularly in a pandemic where I think it is costing many lives needlessly.

Anonymous said...

You mean left wing biased fact checkers

James Eterno said...

Two different realities entirely. You just made my point 10:17.