It is difficult to understand why anyone is still debating mandated vaccines and masks in schools.
This is from CNN:
(CNN)An unvaccinated elementary school teacher who took off their mask to read to students ended up infecting more than half of them last May -- and they went on to infect other students, family members and community members, California public health officials reported Friday.
It's a prime example of how easy it is to undermine efforts to protect children too young to be vaccinated, US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said.
The teacher came to work even though they had Covid-19 symptoms and then took off their mask to read to the young students, a team at Marin County Public Health reported in the CDC's weekly report on death and disease. The teacher assumed the symptoms indicated allergies, not infection, the investigators found.
There were 193,000 new COVID-19 cases yesterday in the United States and 1,756 more deaths. Can we concede that we are doing something wrong yet? School opening has already been a disaster in the South. NYC needs a remote option.
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It is like a giant bomb with a lit fuse is right in front of us, but no one seems to notice, and no one seems to care.
There is a remote option for the fragile.allergy symptoms should be investigated.her errorcwas in removing mask.bet it would have been better if she was masked.wete the kids masked?
Becca Savransky
Fri, August 27, 2021, 6:33 PM
"About 29% of students in the West Ada School District have been excused from the district’s mask requirement.
Char Jackson, the district’s chief communication officer, told the Idaho Statesman as of about 2 p.m. Friday that 11,685 opt-out forms had been submitted.
West Ada, Idaho’s largest school district, has more than 40,300 students, Jackson said.
The district has been collecting the forms over the past three days, after trustees on Tuesday night approved a new reopening plan mandating masks for students and staff, but giving parents the option to opt out their kids."
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Am i missing something??people walk around maskless yet demand that others vaccinate?i got into it yet again.im weary of this fight against people who refuse to wear masks.they pray for relief from this.but then bring on the disease.if everyone would mask, it would help out.i do not want to breathe their nasty air.i go to a diff grocery line or bank line, etc.i do not feel sorry except that their brains are already fried.
'Trump's rhetoric hurting vaccination efforts isn't limited to his specific commentary on Covid-19 and the vaccine. His entire presidency was devoted to the idea that The Establishment couldn’t be trusted, undermining the ability of mainstream media, health professionals and scientists to educate his base about Covid-19. In other words, Trump’s meager attempts to suggest the vaccine might be worth trying is overshadowed by his systematic efforts to sow mistrust in anyone outside of his political cohort.
This problem is unlikely to go away, and not just because Trump is afraid of the monster he’s helped create. Those who want to operate in the Trump lane in 2024 like Govs. Ron DeSantis and Kristi Noem are showing that they want to continue Trump’s tradition — decrying commonsense public health measures as a betrayal of conservatism and a surefire way to generate more attention for a White House run."
"The vast majority of the spread of Covid-19 is by people who are unvaccinated. Vaccinated people are not a threat to public health, and they should be able to exercise their own judgment about what activities are safe enough for them."
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/28/health/vaccine-safe-activities-dr-wen-wellness/index.html
But we can just open the window, right? And even a vaccinated teacher can infect others, so not sure your point.
We’re all getting this eventually. Bet ya $5. I’m not making light of it. I just think that’s how it will play out. Hopefully most will survive it. The political swamp didn’t need Trump to sow mistrust. You have it all wrong about the majority of Trump voters. Trump was elected because of the mistrust already there. Fuck Trump, Biden, Obama, 2 Bushes and a Clinton. The mistrust has been around for a long time.
If parents opt their kids out of masks and their kids get sick, yes i feel sorry foe the child.but that parent set that up.almost abusive, deliberately sending someone into a situation and tempting fate...like so many di in bars, in florida parties.they did that early on without regard to older and infirm.parents knowingly send their kids to school with covid should find another place to educate their kid, like homeschool.it happened twice in my old school.
i think the society is sick.not only the government.looking at florida, how can parents let their kids run around without a mask everywhere and then claom they want mandates when they dont follow rules.
I have a question, 1:31 But first, a few comments... Living rent - free in your mind still, and in the minds of so many of you on this blog, Donald J. Trump. I am a right wing teacher who agrees with the vaccine mandate just as surely as if the DOE were a privately-owned enterprise. (I'll pause a brief moment for all you liberals gasping at the phrase "privately- owned.") It's really hard to stop laughing at your "undermining the ability of the mainstream media" line. Outside your echo chamber on the left, the mainstream media is a joke, even to the apolitical. But here is my legit question--- No one on this blog needs to be told that Trump has/had little support among families in the five boroughs. You can't blame Trump for the unvaccinated here in NYC. You can talk until you are democrat blue in the face about Trump rhetoric, but the unvaccinated population in New York City is not tuning in to America One, FOX, or "the great one" Mark Levin on 770AM radio. When they go online they'll find no love for Trump-- So my legit question to you is this: What's the real reason behind the lack of support for the vaccine among so many? I find your explanation simply not believable.
Sweden went the natural immunity route, as opposed to Israel, which went for vaccine immunity.
Of the total 23,978 cases of those currently infected with Covid-19, only 39, or 0.2%, are in serious or critical condition.
23,939, or 99.8%, are mild.
Nearly 5x better than Israel.
Just do nothing and get paid like every other year. Same old shit.
WOW just WOW to 1:31:00 PM
Its Trumps fault??????
Did you just steal the worst POTUS's excuse for everything that's going wrong.
Unless I am wrong but our country was built on the idea that the government must be watched as you cannot always trust them. If we didn't question things and how the government was mistreating us we may never have had the Revolutionary War and broken away from the British mistreatment.
Or should I listen to your VP Harris who stated she wouldn't take the vaccine if Trump was the one telling the country to take it.
Seems the opposite of your narrative is true as if you think if you keep repeating stuff over and over it makes it true.
and i say this ironically...
Maybe if that class had the "gold standard" in prevention like in NYC the virus would have not spread.
Gold standard = open up all your classroom windows even in winter and even when the windows only open up an inch or two and wait for a breeze AND
social distance 3 or 6 ft but if you cannot like a lot of schools then don't worry about it AND students should wear masks but if they don't want to there will be no repercussions of punishment in any form. unless its the teacher who will probably be disciplined for trying to get the kid to wear the mask.
My takeaway from this is schools, parents of students and governments failure to acknowledge that many teachers are parents too and without an option to work from home, limited sick days(which many teachers use when their own kids get sick) teachers will be coming to work sick. WHY? Because teachers will need to also use their sick days when their own children are quarantined.
What is the plan or I assume there is not one for teachers who will not be able to teach remotely because(there is no remote option because it's best for the children")
if a teacher's child is quarantined?
Last year if an in person teachers kids were quarantined they were able to have another adult be with their class in person and zoom into their own classroom. This year this cannot happen.
Many teachers have small children and do not want to ask grandparents to watch their quarantined children for obvious risk of exposure.
What is the plan for these situations? Our union is supposed to put UNION PAYING MEMBERS NEEDS FIRST BEFORE ANYONE ELSE AND THEY DO NOT.
This is going to blow up and be a mess. You can force teachers to come in, risk exposure but teachers are not going to leave their own small children home alone when their day care or classrooms close due to exposure.
Dum, dum MIke and Debozo, and Porter.
Porter speaks about her 1 high school vax eligible child and Deblozio speaks about his ADULT CHILDREN and what they would want for them.
They continue to deny the needs of educators with young children who will need to be cared for my parents because they are actually still children and cannot stay home alone like Porters 16 or 17 year old child.
NOT LOOKING TO DEBATE WITH THE CHILDLESS POPULATION. I HAVE CHILDREN. I PLAN TO USE ALL MY SAVED SICK DAYS BUT THIS DOES NOT HELP THE OTHER TEACHERS WHO WILL BE PULLED TO COVER MY CLASS WHEN I USE MY SICK DAYS TO CARE FOR MY OWN CHILDREN WHEN THEY ARE REQUIRED TO QUARINTEED.
POOR PLANNING BY OUR JOKE LEADERS and NO SUPPORT AND PROTECTION FROM SHITHEAD MULGREW.
326 a class analysis helps here. the working poor have a fear of lost time from a reaction to the vaccine which may cause them to be ill for a few days. lost time is something a majority of the population cannot afford. access has also not been strong in all neighborhoods, which means traveling, and again comes down to lost time. the working poor also tend to have more distrust in government, and the health care system. this would include pharmaceutical companies.
350 in the US, one of the most unhealthy populations, Sweden's approach would be catastrophic, even more so than it already is here.
Nope, nope Trump's not living in my head at all, but James did ask a specific question: "It is difficult to understand why anyone is still debating mandated vaccines and masks in schools."
Whatever Harris said or didn't say, I doubt Republicans are using her as a source for vaccine hesitancy. My post which actually comes from an article, also says this "This problem is unlikely to go away, and not just because Trump is afraid of the monster he’s helped create. Those who want to operate in the Trump lane in 2024 like Govs. Ron DeSantis and Kristi Noem are showing that they want to continue Trump’s tradition — decrying commonsense public health measures as a betrayal of conservatism and a surefire way to generate more attention for a White House run." so it's certainly relevant to the James' question unlike 4:37's hysterics about the Revolutionary War.
You then said "What's the real reason behind the lack of support for the vaccine among so many? I find your explanation simply not believable.". So you asked and answered your own question. Brilliant!
Lastly, there are other threads where Trump cultists keep bringing him up as if they have Trump Derangement Syndrome, so I figured, WHY NOT. It's relevant to the question, and it will probably trigger the troll.
The Washington Post disagrees with you that it's anyone other than (primarily) Republicans that are opposing the vaccine and mask mandates, even in NY. I think I'll take their word over yours.
"In New York City, there are more unvaccinated White people than Black people, despite the difference in vaccination rates."
"Black Americans are only slightly more hesitant than Whites to get vaccinated, according to the Kaiser survey. (Whites make up two-thirds of those who say they won’t get vaccinated, according to the survey.) But that group of White adults includes a lot of White Republicans. Compared with White Democrats, there’s a bigger disparity."
"Of course, that Black Americans are more hesitant about being vaccinated than White Democrats in particular doesn’t really help the argument that Black hesitation rates should be compared unfavorably with Republicans. It’s also disingenuous to compare Black and White vaccination rates overall, since White rates are actually higher in part because so many White people are Democrats! Those making this comparison are essentially using high vaccination support among White Democrats as a way to disparage lower rates among Black people."
"That suggests that the question of access is important. In February, NPR mapped vaccine distribution sites, finding that more-White neighborhoods often had better access"
"In other words, the reasons that low vaccination rates among Black Americans are not somehow a counterpoint to low vaccination rates among Republicans are as follows:
Black people are much less likely than Republicans to say that they refuse to be vaccinated.
There are about four times as many Republicans as Black people in the ranks of the unvaccinated and a slightly higher proportion of Republicans among those who say they won’t get vaccinated.
Vaccination rates among Black Americans also reflect structural problems that often overlap with income.
"Trying to rebut a largely partisan opposition to vaccination by blaming a historically disadvantaged group as the real problem without actually exhibiting any curiosity about the distinctions is not a real testament to intellectual rigor."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/08/04/what-about-black-people-defense-republican-vaccine-hesitancy/
Remote option if your own child's school is closed is definitely something that should be negotiated. That is one time that it can fairly apply to vaccinated, and unvaccinated staff.
326, James said it's difficult to understand why anyone is still debating mandated vaccines and masks in schools. He said nothing about NY schools specifically. The story he referenced isn't even in NY.
1.florida cant open windows much of the time.it's too hot.they have ac, maybe no hepa filters?germs forcefullt blowing all day.fightful!
2.its embarrassing that while its our fight, the MLC is taking on the fight with Mulshit noticeably absent and silent.after i get a pension consult, ill likely pull dues unless things are resolved.
https://www.newsweek.com/88-year-old-professor-resigns-mid-class-when-student-refuses-wear-mask-1623919?amp=1
"Black people are much less likely than Republicans to say that they refuse to be vaccinated.
There are about four times as many Republicans as Black people in the ranks of the unvaccinated and a slightly higher proportion of Republicans among those who say they won’t get vaccinated.
Vaccination rates among Black Americans also reflect structural problems that often overlap with income."
That's all fine, but our students are pretty much 100% minority, which means their families are too, which means they are around many more people who are unvaccinated, which would then be brought into our schools. Vaccinatd people can still get covid and pass it, which means our nearly 100% minority population would then get it while being unvaccinated and pass it to others at home who are unvaccinated.
Comparing % is like me saying white people commit as much crime as black people when, if the numbers are equal, means the numbers are still disproportionate because of population.
Same old story. Mulgrew fakes being mad. Mulgrew becomes unmad around September 6. We are suckers. We get sick. I travel to an empty building just because. But James thinks this is better than nothing.
"In Alabama, one of the hardest-hit states in the latest surge, overall hospitalization numbers continue to climb, driving health officials to use mobile trailers to house bodies because Covid-19 deaths are soaring, state health officer Dr. Scott Harris said Friday.'
"The state activated two of its four refrigerated trailers for the first time since the pandemic began, Harris said, in Mobile and Baldwin counties this week."
"These are typically held in case of a mass casualty event for example, when a large number of bodies appear at one time. This is actually a situation that is happening in Alabama hospitals now," Harris said.
"We have enough people dying that there is no room to put these bodies," he added. "We are really in a crisis situation. I don't know how much longer we're going to be able to do this."
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@3:32 how about you answer "What's the real reason behind the lack of support for the vaccine among so many?"
Real reasons people won't vaccinate (details for each provided in the link):
Reason 1: Lack of access, real or perceived
Reason 2: Covid-19 isn’t seen as a threat
Reason 3: Vaccine side effects
Reason 4: Lack of trust in the vaccines
Reason 5: Lack of trust in institutions
Reason 6: A variety of conspiracy theories
A common theme
"All of the reasons people provide for not getting vaccinated, from lack of access to conspiracy theories, share a common theme: A significant portion of Americans don’t believe the vaccines are worth the potential downsides.
Everything officials and experts are now doing to vaccinate more Americans is in effect meant to beat back this theme. Better access would mitigate a major downside. Incentives could push the vaccine over the top, making it worth the downsides. Mandates could too.
If all of this is successful, the country could truly defeat Covid-19. But if enough people believe the downsides are still too bad, the threat of the virus could lurk for years to come."
https://www.vox.com/2021/6/2/22463223/covid-19-vaccine-hesitancy-reasons-why
IT'S INCREDIBLE! THE WORLD IS IN CHAOS WITH BIDEN WHICH NOBODY SEEMS TO MENTION! JAMES continues to push stories from MAY!!!! Jesus you cannot stop with this mandate, yet, with your credibility you continue posting from CNN? Nickelodeon has more viewers and credibility. You ever look up fauci wife? Ever wonder why DR Gottlieb head of FDA is on board with Phizer
Let's continue segregation since these mandates are going to be discriminatory against the black community.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/12/nyregion/covid-vaccine-black-young-new-yorkers.html
Anon2323, The story came out August 27, which is the day the health officials released the news.
Anon, please, when was the world not in chaos?
Dr Osterholm commented on this story on twitter:
"This school was located in a city where 72% of residents were fully vaccinated. Masks were required, 6 ft of distancing between desks, HEPA filters in classrooms, and windows left open. Yet 12 of 24 students in a classroom with their infected teacher tested positive."
Good point 5:10-What is the UFT/City plan for teachers/school staff of young unvax children when they must be quarantined and must be home to care for their own children?
Let's see-resign? take a leave? What are we supposed to do? Choose between our children's safety and a paycheck Mr. Mulgrew???
We as professionals and union members who pay your salary which lets you work from home be put in such a terrible position!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NEW: The Washington Federation of State Employees is suing the state over Gov Jay Inslee’s vaccine mandate. It argues the state is failing “to bargain in good faith.”
Many unions have said the same thing. That representatives come to meetings without any answers.
Anon 2323, You know we are not going to print anything coming from a site that is rated this way by Media Bias Fact Check this way:
Last updated on May 28th, 2021 at 03:57 pm CONSPIRACY-PSEUDOSCIENCE Sources in the Conspiracy-Pseudoscience category may publish unverifiable information that is not always supported by evidence….
That said, the Israeli study you refer to saying natural immunity is 13x better than vaccine induced immunity is important yet not peer reviewed. This is part of the study:
"Nine cases of COVID-19-related hospitalizations were recorded, 8 of which were in the vaccinated group and 1 in the previously infected group (Table S1). No COVID-19-related deaths were recorded in our cohorts."
I could easily spin that by saying vaccine protects against death the same as previous infectio
An article on the study:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.zmescience.com/medicine/natural-immunity-from-covid-infection-is-stronger-than-vaccine-immunity-massive-study-in-israel-finds/amp/
"However, researchers caution that the vaccine is the least risky option to acquire immunity to SARS-CoV-2 as its protection against severe, life-threatening symptoms is still very good, even in the face of Delta and other dangerous variants. Furthermore, the study found that people who were previously infected but later received one shot of the vaccine had the best protection out of all.
The only thing that beats natural immunity is natural immunity AND a vaccine."
How many unvaccinated people who are being infected for the first time are dying now? Too many. Are you suggesting that people who have not yet had COVID should not vaccinate and just wait to get infected?
Here is a link to the actual study:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1.full-text
A different study comes to a different conclusion:
"New Australian study suggests vaccination is more effective than the body's natural immune response following infection and shows the need to invest in new vaccine designs to keep pace with emerging COVID variants. Another reason to vaccinate children now."
Finally, thank you for trying to post at night so I can spend hours doing research to check what comes out. Note the time this posts.
Anon 2323, You know we are not going to print anything coming from a site that is rated by Media Bias Fact Check this way:
Last updated on May 28th, 2021 at 03:57 pm CONSPIRACY-PSEUDOSCIENCE Sources in the Conspiracy-Pseudoscience category may publish unverifiable information that is not always supported by evidence….
That said, the Israeli study you refer to saying natural immunity is 13x better than vaccine induced immunity is important yet not peer reviewed. This is part of the study:
"Nine cases of COVID-19-related hospitalizations were recorded, 8 of which were in the vaccinated group and 1 in the previously infected group (Table S1). No COVID-19-related deaths were recorded in our cohorts."
I could easily spin that by saying vaccine protects against death the same as previous infection.
An article on the study:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.zmescience.com/medicine/natural-immunity-from-covid-infection-is-stronger-than-vaccine-immunity-massive-study-in-israel-finds/amp/
"However, researchers caution that the vaccine is the least risky option to acquire immunity to SARS-CoV-2 as its protection against severe, life-threatening symptoms is still very good, even in the face of Delta and other dangerous variants. Furthermore, the study found that people who were previously infected but later received one shot of the vaccine had the best protection out of all.
The only thing that beats natural immunity is natural immunity AND a vaccine."
How many unvaccinated people who are being infected for the first time are dying now? Too many. Are you suggesting that people who have not yet had COVID should not vaccinate and just wait to get infected? Should we have covid parties with the kids and just hope for the best?
Here is a link to the actual study:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1.full-text
A different study comes to a different conclusion:
"New Australian study suggests vaccination is more effective than the body's natural immune response following infection and shows the need to invest in new vaccine designs to keep pace with emerging COVID variants. Another reason to vaccinate children now."
Finally, thank you for trying to post at night so I can spend hours doing research to check what comes out. Note the time this posts.
The best review Camille got for her CNN appearance was from a relative who is an ICU nurse who thanked her for advocating for the people who work in the ICUs. They aren't seeing a bunch of vaccinated people being brought in.in.
8:08 what is your point, and what part of access dont you understand?
@8:08 100% minority in NYC schools?? That's ridiculous. You don't think NYC schools has any white students? Your argument is still faulty because a high percentage of NYC students are hispanic and they are currently vaccinating in higher numbers than whites.
Asian - 72%
Latino - 46%
Black - 32%
White 43%
But you responded to this:
"Black people are much less likely than Republicans to say that they refuse to be vaccinated.
There are about four times as many Republicans as Black people in the ranks of the unvaccinated and a slightly higher proportion of Republicans among those who say they won’t get vaccinated.
Vaccination rates among Black Americans also reflect structural problems that often overlap with income."
The question asked was, what are some reasons people don't vaccinate. I know how desperate you all are to make it a black/brown thing to try and take attention away from Republican hesitancy (and the white vaccination rates include a high percentage of Democrats). According to this, it's not that blacks don't want to get vaccinated, or are spewing conspiracy theories, digging their heels in saying they won't vaccinate.
I posted a story about a man who asked his 6th grader if she wanted to wear a mask, and she said no because she didn't see any benefit to it. LOL. 6th graders now making their own decisions related to their health and thousands of white parents opting out of wearing a mask in the red states. But on this blog we see so many posts about our kids who will refuse to to wear their masks, and they have no discipline at home, and it's their parents who are to blame, yet here you have white parents actually signing off on this shit, screaming at board meet about it, attacking students and parents over masks.
"A Chicago mother is appealing a court order that revoked her parental visiting rights because she declined to be vaccinated against the coronavirus.
When Rebecca Firlit and her ex-husband of seven years participated in a child support hearing via video call on Aug. 10 for the purpose of determining the terms of shared custody of their 11-year-old son, Cook County Judge James Shapiro inquired about Firlit's vaccination status. After Firlit told the judge she did not receive the vaccine because of adverse reactions she has had to other vaccines, he ordered her to be stripped of her parental right to visit her son until she has been vaccinated.'
"Can we please stop for a moment and look at the actual data? The Delta variant is spreading fastest in interior states like Missouri and Arkansas, far away from the Mexican border.
It was first detected in India in December, and then moved directly to the United States in March and April according to the CDC.
GISAID, a nonprofit organization that tracks the genetic sequencing of viruses, has shown that each of the four variants now circulating in the United States arrived here before spreading to Mexico and Central America. International travel rather than immigration over the southern border brought the viruses to America.
Haven’t we had enough demagoguery and deflection? Haven’t Trump and his ilk done enough damage already?
The blame game must stop. Let’s be clear: The best way to contain deaths and hospitalizations from Covid is to get more Americans vaccinated. Period."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/aug/08/us-covid-delta-republicans-deflect-demagoguery
Aren’t we just going in circles? I don’t believe James’ sources. He doesn’t believe Anon2323’s sources. Sides have dug in. No one is changing their mind. We all have anecdotal stories. One is no more believable or representative of the problem/solution than the next. I know several nurses. Some refusing vaccine. If the UFT allows nyc to force vaccines, those opposed can speak up by no longer funding the UFT. What choice is left at this point if one does not want the vaccine or the upcoming ongoing boosters? Wait to be fired then no longer pay dues. Get the vaccine and pay dues or get the vaccine and withhold dues. 3 choices.
Believe it or not, recently leaked documents from Pfizer reveal that at least 20 percent of its employees have chosen not to receive the jab.
Far from facing termination, these employees can choose to remain uninjected, decline to declare their injection status, OR seek a medical or religious accommodation. Pfizer will require these individuals to participate in regular COVID-19 PCR testing, but the glaring hypocrisy remains:
People who work for the very company making and profiting off this novel drug are not required to take it under threat of termination, whereas millions of other Americans are.
And it’s not just Pfizer. It’s also been alleged that Johnson and Johnson and Moderna either do not mandate these experimental drugs, or require routine PCR testing as an alternative.
There are 1,094,138 students in the NYC school system, the largest school district in the United States. Of those students:
Race or ethnicity:
40.8% Hispanic
24.7% black
16.5% Asian
14.8% white
138,648 are in charter schools
Percentage of those fully vaccinated are:
46% Hispanic
39% Black
74% Asian
72% (Native American)
47% White
The 47% number of whites includes many liberals/Democrats, so the argument that it is simply blacks/minority students that are the cause of so many unvaccinated students is simply NOT TRUE.
Contractually, you can't withhold union dues until the opt out period next June and we have ended that argument over leaving the union here a while ago. Everyone had their say. You neglect to mention a fourth option which is to try to change union from within by organizing, not running away.
I also think the majority of the medical community agrees with us. 96% of doctors are vaccinated.
When a mandate is imposed, it gets almost everyone to get on board.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/26/mandatory-vaccinations-urged-health-workers/
Houston Methodist, which has said it was the nation’s first health system to impose a coronavirus vaccination mandate when the policy was announced in March, faced protests from some staffers — including more than 150 who refused to get vaccinated and left the organization. But 97 percent of Houston Methodist workers complied, with about 2 percent obtaining exemptions or deferrals. A federal judge also dismissed a lawsuit filed by former staff members, ruling that Houston Methodist was “trying to do their business of saving lives without giving [patients] the covid-19 virus.”
Emanuel said the University of Pennsylvania Health System, which imposed its own coronavirus vaccination mandate two months ago, also has seen a similar uptake in shots.
“The sky didn’t fall,” Emanuel said. “When we do it, and we have a good justification, people respond.”
This is from Forbes:
The rate of vaccination is pretty much inverse of the education level of staff. Among practicing physicians, 96% have been vaccinated.
Why isn't Phizer mandating the shot for its employees??
The death toll from COVID-19 in Oregon is climbing so rapidly in some counties that the state has organized delivery of one refrigerated truck to hold the bodies and is sending a second one. https://abcn.ws/2Y5VpnM
Full dem leadeship.
Do how did michael kane and others just opt out?
Idk which group mentioned something withholdind dues/putting it into a special fund.i would have to review email.sounded similar in concept to escrow.
https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/novartis-pfizer-and-gilead-roll-out-covid-19-vaccination-rules-as-delta-makes-case-for
Gilead Sciences will also require all U.S. employees and contractors to be fully vaccinated. Its policy will take effect on October 1, the company said Monday, adding that the mandate will only be in place where legal and where vaccines are “readily available.” The company forged its policy after tracking the rise of COVID-19 cases in the U.S. and abroad, as well as analyzing the data available on the vaccines’ power to curb infections, hospitalizations and deaths.
Gilead says it polled its employees “extensively” on the issue and plans to accommodate staffers who can’t get a vaccine on medical or religious grounds. In places where vaccine mandates aren’t legal, the antiviral specialist says it will “strongly recommend” employees get the shot.
As for Pfizer, the company is also requiring all U.S. staffers and contractors get vaccinated or undergo regular weekly testing, a company spokesperson told Fierce Pharma. The company is “strongly encouraging” vaccinations for all ex-U.S. employees who can get one, she added.
Like Gilead, Pfizer says it will work with employees toward an alternative solution if they have medical or religious objections to the shot. That’s also in line with COVID-19 antibody developer Eli Lilly, which will require all of its employees in the U.S. and Puerto Rico to get vaccinated by Nov. 15.
Johnson & Johnson has similarly matched those moves, requiring all of its U.S.-based employees and contractors to be fully vaccinated by Oct. 4. The single-shot vaccine developer says accommodations could be made for people with medical conditions or other reasons to not be vaccinated.
3:04 AM,
The DOE is 80+% minority, right?
The largest % of unvaccinated would be black, right?
Not sure what your argument is.
808 said nearly 100% minority, 80+ is close to 100.
Are these not factual numbers?
As far as schools go,
Teens 13-17
Asian-88% vaccinated
Blacks-22% vaccinated
Why hasn't the white house mandated shots?
I bet that some of those with the loudest arguments for "liberty", "freedom", are the same one who excoriate "others" when they are harassed, and killed for not respecting authority for the umpteenth time. I know, that's different, this is inside the body, because of course, only their excuses and reasons matter, even though this has to do with public health.
@10:33 80% is NOT 100%. How about you learn some basic math.
Stop throwing statistics around without providing links so we can check.
When you look at the minority that ARE vaccinated, which includes blacks, hispanics, and asians, and the white LIBERALS, it still points to a Republican problem. It is Republicans who are desperately trying to make it a white/black thing because they can't even stand on their own convictions.
James - here's are the links for vaccination rates, and student demographics:
https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data-vaccines.page#nyc
https://www.schools.nyc.gov/about-us/reports/doe-data-at-a-glance
During the CNN teachers debate, the best the anti-mandate person could come up with is that they should have a remote option while given the chance to educate themselves, so that at some point, when the cows come home, they can come back on their own accord. As if. They think they're fooling someone with that one? Utterly ridiculous!
Listen to some of the folks talk and the fact of the matter is, they don't like the students they're teaching, and they don't like the parents. It would make them so happy to not have to be anywhere near them while they sit at home collecting their paycheck. It WAS a nice break last year being out of the classroom not dealing with the noise in the hallways, the attitudes, and all the rest. The break is OVER.
These are the geniuses we are dealing with. Business Insider is the source:
Mississippi Governor Tate Reeves, in remarks Saturday, said that people in the state were "less scared" of COVID-19 because they believe in "eternal life," as new infections reach record levels and hospitalizations spike.
Reeves made the remarks to a gathering of state Republicans at a fundraiser last Thursday in Eads, reported the Daily Memphian.
"I'm often asked by some of my friends on the other side of the aisle about COVID … and why does it seem like folks in Mississippi and maybe in the Mid-South are a little less scared, shall we say," Reeves said.
When you believe in eternal life - when you believe that living on this earth is but a blip on the screen, then you don't have to be so scared of things," he said.
Reeves went on to say, "God also tells us to take necessary precautions. And we all have opportunities and abilities to do that and we should all do that. I encourage everyone to do so."
Mississippi has recorded more new COVID-19 cases per capita than any other state, with around 127 new cases per 100,000, according to an analysis of data by The New York Times.
The wave of infections in Mississippi has put state health services at breaking point, with 93% of the state's ICU beds in use and 63% occupied by COVID-19 patients, according to data from the Department of Health and Human Services.
The state also has one of the lowest vaccination rates in the country, with about 37% of the population fully vaccinated, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
To James’ points…. Many unvaccinated hold a PhD. Education has very little to do with intelligence. Within the UFT membership, it is forced vax vs freedom of choice. Can’t change the union from within because we can’t agree on what that change should be. Pay for membership or don’t is a choice those forced to vaccinate can make. So can their vaccinated allies.
Freedom haters so desperately wanted to blame Republicans for being anti vax. Then as rebuttal when it’s pointed out that in NYC, it’s democrats, mostly nonwhites who won’t get vaccinated the same people blaming republicans say we’re desperate to blame black and brown people. Uh noooo. We’re not looking to blame anyone. You are. We’re using data to prove you’re wrong. In nyc unvaxed republicans are the minority of the unvaxed. Check the zip code rates. That data speaks for itself. Now point your fingers and scream RACIST like you always do. But know “racist” now means “fine citizen” thanks to all you liberals using it willy nilly.
@11:08 yeah, they all feel that way until they're in the ICU, and they're trying to ask the doctor for the vaccine, while he tells them it's too late, and the family is busy begging for funds on GoFundMe while saying 'don't judge him, he would want you all to know, to please vaccinate".
"Freedom haters so desperately wanted to blame Republicans for being anti vax. Then as rebuttal when it’s pointed out that in NYC, it’s democrats, mostly nonwhites who won’t get vaccinated"
You're the freedom hater. The freedom to be free from the disease. If you can't understand the stats that show that overall more minorities and white Liberals, than white Republicans are vaccinated, then maybe you should have someone explain it to you. You are Exhibit A for education doesn't translate to intelligence.
Hey everybody guess what in Alternate Reality La La Land, it's not *really* Republicans who are goings nuts over vaccinations and mask mandates. It's everybody else. And for the icing on the cake "racist" now has a new meaning 'fine citizen".
"In nyc unvaxed republicans are the minority of the unvaxed" - that's a fact that you pulled out of your backside. Again the Washington Post debunks that lie.
11:08 I guess when they could no longer try and blame someone else they change it to "we don't care if we die because we believe in eternal life" It's a contagious disease, so fuck everybody else.
@11:14 be anti-vax all you want. On the bright side less Republican voters in the red states makes up for all their voting suppression shenanigans. Hahahaha. You're not looking to blame anyone, except every one of your posts focuses on zip codes and black and brown people, and minority. But no, you're not looking to blame anyone.
Don't vaccinate, but don't expect others to fight your battles regarding the mandates. That's YOUR problem and I'm loving it. I already co-signed on a note to Mulgrew saying we fully support the mandate. Too bad, so sad.
11:14.. lowest incomes have the lowest rates. class needs to be a factor in how we approach this. also, Whites make up a much larger percentage of the population. the 50% of unvaccinated White new yorkers, are a larger amount than the 60% of unvaccinated Black new yorkers. Unvaccinated Whites are also polled as being much less willing to eventually get the vaccine. and. for what it's worth, which ain't much, they tend to vote Republican.
Becoming overly tired of seeing Black new yorkers being used to absolve one's self of possibly being seen as prejudiced (oh the fear!) and also being used as a scapegoat to avoid class issues.
Blame Blame Blame what a game....
.Democrats are angry at Republicans because they look around and cant hide from who is in charge of our nation..Resident old man...DEMOCRATIC White House Congress and Senate and they have nothing in control...Mr Big Shot Biden said he would have Covid under control because he has a plan...
Big talker has been there barely 7 months and cant answer questions..
Marines are dead blame Trump
Covid is spreading blame Trump
Gas will soon be 4 bucks a gallon blame Trump.
Border is out of control Blame Trump
We are going backwards everywhere..well at least they are telling us racism has been eradicated..or that is what they say...Rodney King once said..Can we all get along? I guess not Rodney..
September has always been a mystery for all of us on what to expect..
I dont know if that is true anymore... we are divided on almost everything...I am unsure if we will ever get back to a normal school year..hope I am wrong
Thank you at 11:14. I've been saying all along that it's the minorities who are standing up for the rights of Americans as freedom and liberty lovers. Thank you for pointing out that in NYC it's the minorities leading the way in that effort. Bravo to them!
I've seen a helluva lot of whining and finger-pointing, but what do you anti-mandates, fake freedom lovers want out of the negotiations? James has asked several times and other than talking about pulling dues which will be a moot point if you lose your jobs, what is it that you are asking for? It's a given that you don't want a vaccine mandate.
As someone who is vaccinated I ask Mulgrew to support the mandate and no remote option solely for the unvaccinated.
If there is to be a remote option it should be on a seniority basis, or as before, based on medical reasons.
In-person teachers should not be tasked with supervising the remote teachers' in-person students, or setting up their bulletin boards and if we must set up the boards, it should be per session.
If negotiations settle on vax or test, it should not be mandatory for vaccinated teachers to provide supervision while the unvaccinated go and get their tests (if it's going to be done on school time), although that will likely be coverage pay.
Teachers are not held responsible, during an observation, for students not wearing a mask. Someone asked about Danielson, and yes, they can add that under "respectful classroom" or whatever.
Blather @ 11:49. The usual.
11:45 there's no cure for them being stuck on stupid. They just parrot whatever they hear on right wing media.
@11:45 on the one hand they want to hold themselves up as the standard bearers of liberty and freedom, while on the other hand claiming, it's not them exercising this right to liberty and freedom. It would be comical if it wasn't about a deadly and highly contagious disease with no end in sight.
@326pm...i don't think there is A reason for the lack of support for the vaccine among so many. I think there are many DIFFERENT reasons. I would bet $2.50 that ONE reason may be history. What i mean is that the US government and CDC has lied in the past about medical treatment to poor black folks. Again, this may or may not be a reason. I'm just thinking that if any person states it as their reason for doubting the vaccine, it would be an enlightening discussion and debate to have. If curious just look up the Tuskegee Syphilis Study.
And you all parrot the left wing media.same thing.except yours is ruled by pharma and tech.pharma supports media.how many commercials ate for drugs?start noticing this.they babble the side effects so fast that u cant hear them.
Ny is doing well and improving.now they want biometrics, retina scans, trackers in ny schools.is that also about covid??
Another state fought back against them wearing mandated fibits.covid, huh?they are making us a number.
All of this suffering came from our tax dollars paying for this disease. Not saying intentionally, but from a lab. Amazing.
"I've been saying all along that it's the minorities who are standing up for the rights of Americans as freedom and liberty lovers."
So they are to be applauded?
James, many doctors have iterated that they are threatened if they express an opinion against the shot.
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The whole ant-vaxxing thing really shows how much the USA right is a crazy scam. All the top guys (Trump, Abbott, Murdoch, Carlson) are getting vaccinated, booster shots, experimental drugs. But the rubes believe in the quack medicine or don't vaccinate at all. Amazing.
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Anti-vax used to be an extremist thing of the crunchiest granolas and tinfoil far right. Then it became entrenched in expensive liberal zip codes and among evangelicals. Now it's the Tide Pod challenge for proving commitment to conservatism.
12:54 get a clue, buy one if you have to.
1250. Conservative media, Murdoch media if you will, gets plenty of pharma funding as well, sir. They all do. That is how it works here in the US. It is all one big game.
https://www.mediamatters.org/coronavirus-covid-19/these-pharmaceutical-companies-are-funding-spread-covid-misinformation-fox
1252. welcome to surveillance capitalism. we have long long long been nothing but numbers. it exists all over our cities. have we ever had a say?
https://www.aclu.org/news/criminal-law-reform/the-people-not-the-police-should-decide-if-and-how-surveillance-technologies-are-used-in-their-communities/
@2:27 am...
Have you seen the Abbott and Costello routine, who's on first?
Can u blame minorities?syphillis experiments.africans, nestle with formula, gulf war syndrome institutionalized patients.
@10:09 am...
Don't concern yourself with those who NEED to put everything on black/minority students. At this point they are just comical but should be watched from a distance. They are the same folks who will walk into a cesspool with a fake smile on their face because they really are robots. They are the same folks who rationalize their own behavior as "my right as an American" but criticize a football player for exercising his rights as an American. They are also the same ones who went bat sh^t crazy in January because they believed something was taken from them. These folks will always spout off government stats and then turn around to profess that the government and mainstream media dispense fake news. Ya gotta just let them stay in their own pit of despair.
@1041 am...I got you
@1051am...
Are these government stats? Can you just tell us dummies when we should believe government stats and when we shouldn't?
11:14 James wondered why people in general still had a problem with vaccine. You couldnt refute that it was and is Republicans so you tried to narrow it down to zip codes in New York and then claimed that you were right. You're probably the same one who asked and answered your own question on the other thread. Except this was James' question. Either refute the post answering the question or STFU.
@2:00 they're hiding behind them.
Not understanding the contradiction. You say everyone must get the vaccine. When black vaccination rate is mentioned to be 34%, it is said that they are standing for the liberty of everyone. Explain?
How are they able to trace it like that?Amazing. They should let her know who gave it to her while they're at it.
@4:22 pm... can you explain white unvaccinated. And then Asian, Hispanic, Lebanese,etc? I don't know about anyone else but I don't get a "black script" every morning. I have to come up with my own decisions, opinions and thoughts.
No one believes a liar even when they're telling the truth
James only allows information on this blog that supports his viewpoint. Fake phony fraud
The vaccine/mask nazis are out in full force today
I would guess that many of you sickos would like to hunt down the unvaccinated and strap them to a gurney
@5:41 he's an idiot so don't expect to receive an intelligent response. They ask a lot of questions, and answer next to nothing, and when they do it's filled with lies and said with all seeming knowledge and authority except it's all B.S.
Try going on Fox News and spewing an opposing viewpoint. They'll cut your mic off mid-sentence. James allows a lot more opposing lying viewpoints than I ever would. Don't like it, you should start your own blog. "Teachers for the Virus United"
waitingforsupport, you are on point AS ALWAYS. And Abbott and Costello is a great analogy. It's what they do, spin, twist, deflect, project and go around in circles. Still no answer on what they expect Mulgrew to do.
And this below, 100% agree. Gotta keep that in mind.
"They are the same folks who rationalize their own behavior as "my right as an American" but criticize a football player for exercising his rights as an American. They are also the same ones who went bat sh^t crazy in January because they believed something was taken from them. These folks will always spout off government stats and then turn around to profess that the government and mainstream media dispense fake news. Ya gotta just let them stay in their own pit of despair."
Wow after reading these comments I can safely say this is the lunatic wing of the UFT.
WaitinforSupport @12:43 that's a good point at there being many reasons and at 9:01 pm there is an entire list of reasons from an article at Vox. A complete waste of time for the reading comprehension challenged liar who asked for reasons but is really not interested and just trying to deflect and bring it back to white vs. black in NYC, when that was not the question. He's only interested in trying to absolve Trump of having any influence whatsoever on the thinking of his red hat cultists. My God we have DeSantis wrecking havoc in Florida trying to be Trump-Light.
@5:58 Not true, not even a little bit. Don't you see all the anti-vaxx, anti-mandate, anti-cdc, anti-teaching (lol) stuff on this blog?
Most comments here are based on fear and ignorance, including James Eterno. You poor people, it must be a terrible affliction to live with
"Mr Big Shot Biden said he would have Covid under control because he has a plan"
He really underestimated, as Obama did before him, the obstructionist Republicans who would rather kill their constituents than see him have success, even if that success is with a deadly contagious disease.
"On Saturday the state recorded 21,683 new cases of COVID-19, the state's highest one-day total since the start of the pandemic, the AP said.
Despite the rise in case activity, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis signed an executive order this weekend banning schools from issuing mask mandates. In the mandate, DeSantis said it is unclear from the science if masks protect children from the virus and said it is a parent's choice to determine if a student should be masked."
Don't vax... don't work in NYC. it is so simple. get out. move to Texas or Florida.
For the teacher with young children- I remember if a teacher came down with chicken pox, the teacher got to stay home and not charge any sick days. No one wanted a teacher with no sick days coming in and infecting everyone. Perhaps this could be done if a household member has a positive covid test.
As far as the original article. I got infected and brought covid home. My husband ended up in the ICU 2 times (thankfully no ventilator). He came home weak as a baby. He's better, but nowhere near where he was before covid. No one wants this disease or to bring it home.
True @8:21. Why not? I know, they always have to have their way, that's why.
@7:20 Anyone with a brain who has young children who are unable to vaccinate have a right to be worried.
Aren't you guys worried about losing your jobs? Worried about having to use your own time to test? Worried about the mean kids in school who won't leave their masks on and you'll be held responsible by the mean admin, worried that mandating vaccines means that we've lost all freedoms and liberties.
All you guys ever do is whine about your worries so what are you talking about, pointing fingers at anyone for worrying? Don't even try it.
Do you all realize that while thete is a lot of covid stuff frim the media...yes, people are dying...but that it represents a tiny fraction of covid cases?i know many people who recoveted, some had just a cold, some just lost taste and smell, nothinf else.yes, thete is sonething going on, buy u only see what they choose to show!95.5 survive.my friend and her baby have it now.no big deal!im not saying i am nor very concerned.just a perspective.many people caughr civid in the hispital.
What should mulshit do?he should have organized, posted, spoke at the rally.he did nothing.he says that union lawyers state it is within diblockhead's right to mandate.those lawyers are paid from our dues!they do nothing!they are crooked in 3020a as well.
Meanwhile, there are several legal challenges brewing from powerful lawyers.We have flunkie lawyers or they are paid off, maybe both.
Here's a thought:crumble the uft and see if we can merge with other unions that have leaders who look out for their members.
While i am against the mandate, i am also in opposition to desantis' shenanigans.
Trump had balls.Biden's brains are in his shriveled balls. But he had a lot of balls to pull the Afghanistan fiasco.put him in a nursing home and jab him with Phizer.Fools you elected a senile geezer.
To Waiting..
I'll explain it
Because besides the gov historically screwing blacks they have also screwed the white poor.
The government has always looked out for the wealthy...who could buy their way out of fighting in wars? the wealthy. Who can buy the best lawyers when needing protection-the wealthy
How can the Kennedy's Cuomos, other families get away with crimes that the common folk would be arrested and jailed for?? Because they are wealthy
Let's add in common sense-Feb 2020-CDC says "common people don't need to wear a mask"
We know that was drum roll...A LIE!
So why do some whites not drink the coolaid? because they or their older relatives have been fucked because they were poor/working class.
Working class people of all races have been screwed by the wealthy for years. Hearing Dr's and politicians sound like stepford wives does NOT promote trust!
You go into buildings and there are regulations as to how many people can be in a space and things are by appointment many times. NYC DOE public schools will be a disaster - overcrowding and three feet social distancing is a joke. Ventilation is a joke.
Getting my second shot in a few days and will be wearing my mask as always.
The reason Fauci stated we'll get through this by Fall 2022 is because will need to see the results of vaccination along with all the respitory issues that go along with the Fall, Winter and Spring. They don't know what will happen. New strains can develop in which the vaccine cannot fight.
Highly-vaccinated Israel set new all-time record for average news cases.
They’re now averaging 5.5 times as many new cases & over 2X as many deaths as a year ago.
I also want to add
I am NOT A TRUMPster
Jan 6th is a disgrace and embarassment!
@11:05 am has hit that nail square on its head.
Break is over. Sh^t or get off your pot. Lmao
8:34 no mandate means you get to have your way and vax and those ehi dont also have their way.but u selfish ones dont care who gets maimed or killed from the mandate.when people start having symotoms of serioys illness, ut will never be connected to the shot.more coincidence.people will say u got it anyway...hard to prove since many have chronic illness.but why did pharma insist on zero liability as a condition idmf they really think it is safe?ask yourself!
@11:14 am...is using data. Now it's okay to use data. Do you mean the fake data or the non fake data?
@1:06pm...huh?
How do you know this? Did they all write you a secret signed letter?
@647 pm.... and yet here you are reading thru all 111+ comments. Hello lunatic.
Yep Trump has them big ol swollen sweaty Covid balls. Only good for mind f^cking folks who are fearful of losing control of their false narrative.
People get less press for knowingly passing HIV these days.
@not drinking the koolaid...
I KNOW very well and agree with you that poor/working class folks are actually in the same boat as blacks,etc BUT some just don't want to see it or believe it. Wealth looks out for wealth. The unwoke don't or won't see this. Some poor/working class white folks drink the kool aid of the ultra wealthy (1%) because they look like them. Trump didn't start this "big pharma bad, govt misleading" sh^t. Black folks have been yelling screaming burning marching,etc about this for centuries. I can go on and on but there is no need. These trumpsters are actually late to the soiree. The wealthy are pretty smart in one sense: they use blacks as the boogeyman and some poor whites drink that kool-aid hence the division. It shouldn't be black vs white but it is. Until the unwoken realizes that they are being pacified, the madness will continue.
What would happen if all working class joined black folks demand for rights? The wealthy would shit their pants.
As for the mask, when new information is available, don't you think we should change protocols? If this were not true, we'd still be in the dark ages.
Israel news:
As of August 21, the Health Ministry recorded 215.9 severe COVID-19 cases per 100,000 people among the unvaccinated over the age of 60, compared to 21 per 100,000 people among those who had received two doses of the Pfizer vaccine. This makes unvaccinated older people more than 10 times as likely to experience a severe case as their immunized counterparts.
Around 1.5 million Israelis have already received a third booster shot, which a recent Maccabi Healthcare Services study found was 86 percent effective in preventing COVID-19 infection among people 60 and older.
"The third shot is highly effective both against infection and serious illness,” Anat Ekka Zohar, the head of Maccabi’s Quality, Research and Digital Health Division, said last week, urging anyone eligible to get vaccinated.
"The vaccine’s effectiveness is proving itself against the delta variant and is the solution for curbing widespread infection,” she added. Further data and analysis confirmed the booster shot significantly lowers infections and serious cases.
My source:
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israel-covid-unvaccinated-half-serious-cases-delta-pfizer-1.10146662
9:55 I'm remember the yellow vaccination cards that we used to keep. Having to present my vaxx records for college. My children too. My friend having to homeschool because a private school would not accept her doctor's note. Vaccine mandates ARE NOT NEW. It's been politicized and demonized to the point you think it's a personal affront, and assault on your freedom and whatever. You get to have your way because nobody is forcing you to do it. You just don't get to work at certain places or go to school, like it's always been unless you have a medical accommodation. You don't get to be exposed to other people's children who are unable to be vaccinated at this time.
LMAO @ 10:11. My children are all adults so I don't get the monthly $300 per child, so say what they want about Biden, these mfer's are getting money in their pockets but leave it to the poor and middle class to advocate against their own interests in support of a madman. All of a sudden right-wingers care soooo much about the brown Afghan people. Sure, I believe it.
Coming soon to a district near you:
"We have mandates in many places, in schools, particularly public schools, that if in fact, you want a child to come in — we've done this for decades and decades — requiring polio, measles, mumps, rubella, hepatitis [vaccines.] So this would not be something new, requiring vaccinations for children to come to school," he continued.
Fauci was responding to a question about a public school district in Culver City, Calif., mandating vaccines not only for staff but also the students. NPR reported that the Los Angeles County school district is believed to be the first in the country to take such a move. Students must provide proof of vaccination by Nov. 19.
"Those challenging the government mandates are likely to invoke their rights under the First, Fifth, and Fourteenth Amendments, which protect speech, religion, and a right not to "be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law." Their view ends up as a snapshot of themselves; nonetheless, rights can be limited if a person is endangering another.
It's a sentiment that came up in the 1905 Supreme Court decision in the case Jacobson v. Massachusetts. The court ruled against a man who had refused to be vaccinated against smallpox, stating: "Real liberty for all could not exist under the operation of a principle which recognizes the right of each individual person to use his own (liberty), whether in respect of his person or his property, regardless of the injury that may be done to others." That same principle was apparent when Justice Amy Coney Barrett, who is thought to be a strong rights-advocate, left standing Indiana University's vaccine mandate."
"The same reasoning applies to vaccine mandates. The Supreme Court explicitly upheld vaccine mandates against deadly diseases in Jacobson, where it explained: "the rights of the individual in respect of his liberty may at times, under the pressure of great dangers, be subjected to such restraint, to be enforced by reasonable regulations, as the safety of the general public may demand." We live in a country of ordered liberty, not individual autonomy that paves the way to the deaths of others. In short, it is not the right of every American citizen to catch and transmit a potentially fatal infection."
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/25/opinions/unvaccinated-cant-use-constitutional-rights-excuse-hamilton-offit/index.html
WaPo didn’t debunk anything about nyc. How many democrats vs republicans live in nyc? In nyc the unvaxed problem is NOT a Republican problem. Let’s force vaccinate all residents of New York City where we live and work. Then we go after unvaxed republicans. We upper middle class white liberals did our part in nyc. Time to get all those working class peasants to fall in line. Strip them of income and welfare benefits until they comply. What’s DeBlasio waiting for? Beat them with that stick you talk about, Bill. Beat them into submission!
@8:50 what other union has successfully managed to resist a vaccination mandate? Other unions have talked tough but they haven't been issued a vaccine mandate yet. There's a challenge in the Supreme Court regarding religious exemptions so we'll see what happens with that.
@9:55 you said "Why did Pharma insist on zero liability?...ask yourself!"
So I asked myself and this is what I found. This was decided in a Supreme Court case in 2011 (the article is from 2018):
"The United States Supreme Court reached a decision recently, concluding that federal law protects vaccine makers from product-liability lawsuits that are filed in state courts and seek damages for injuries or death attributed to a vaccine.
In the 57-page opinion written by Justice Antonin Scalia, the Supreme Court explained that the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 (NCVIA or Act) preempts all design-defect claims against vaccine manufacturers brought by plaintiffs seeking compensation for injury or death caused by a vaccine’s side effects."
One of the rationales for the Supreme Court’s decision came from the fact that “vaccine manufacturers fund from their sales an informal, efficient compensation program for vaccine injuries. In exchange, they avoid costly tort litigation and the occasional disproportionate jury verdict.”
After the ruling, American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) president O. Marion Burton applauded the Supreme Court’s decision in a statement. He noted that the “decision protects children by strengthening our national immunization system and ensuring that vaccines will continue to prevent the spread of infectious diseases in this country.”
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This has nothing to do with COVID vaccines, if that's what you're suggesting.
https://www.policymed.com/2011/03/supreme-court-rules-in-favor-of-protecting-vaccine-makers-from-state-lawsuits.html
"But with a daily average of 155,000 newly reported infections, many hospitals are buckling under the weight of another surge.
Across the south last week, many hospitals were reporting oxygen shortages amid a rise in hospitalizations from the virus."
"Among those hospitalizations were pediatric patients, which have also been increasing since students returned to classrooms in some areas."
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/30/health/us-coronavirus-monday/index.html
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Oftentime people will ask "if you're vaccinated and at low risk of infection, why do you care if we're vaccinated".
This article is one reason why people are concerned. Resources that are being unnecessarily depleted. It's not like people are not getting sick for the usual things for which there are no vaccines, aging, children and adults who have asthma issues, organ failures, injuries, and of course children for which there is no vaccine available.
Rather than address teacher concerns, the UFT leadership will filibuster meetings with meaningless Resolutions.
But first Mulgrew will say “Ladies and gentlemen the national scene… I do t know what to say.”
* the national scene, the international scene, the local scene, “it’s a mess”
Then phone calls :
After allowing each caller to say the customary: Thank you Michael for all you do.”
Then they’ll censor tough questions and issues and allow:
“Can you give us an update on the buyout?”
“My situation is unique and can you find someone to help help me.”
“ I’d like to propose a resolution for Left Handed lives matter.”
Then at least four District 75 questions.
If a tough question sneaks through, members will get “ill put that on my list when I talk to the chancellor .”
Then “Michael we have time for one more question.
“Michael can you please give us an update on Teachers choice.”
Same nonsense . Same union. Different meeting…
Can someone please refute this ? It makes my head hurt because CNN didn’t say this.
Notice how this raw data contrasts so glaringly with the unhinged fear mongering exhibited by the herd mentality. We have about 1 million students in DOE schools. So if we opened right now, the data shows that perhaps 20 kids might be hospitalized. Am I missing something here?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/08/04/covid-cases-among-children-jumped-84-last-week-here-are-the-states-where-hospitalizations-are-increasing/?sh=516f3fc13be9
As there is no regularly updated, comprehensive data on child Covid-19 cases available, it’s unclear whether the rise in hospitalizations is occuring nationwide. The last report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), in early June, found hospitalization rates among children peaked at 2.1 per 100,000 in January. Meanwhile, the American Academy of Pediatrics (which acknowledges it is missing data from some states) reports the number of hospitalizations has remained steady throughout the pandemic, with children accounting for between 1.3% and 3.5% of hospitalizations, depending on the state. Overall, the risk of death and hospitalization among children who contract Covid-19 remains low. Just over 520 children have died from Covid-19 since the start of the pandemic (0.08% of the U.S.’s 612,000 total deaths) and only around 0.01% recorded cases result in death. However, the CDC highlights it is still possible for children to suffer from severe disease as it “occurs in all age groups.”
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/08/16/children-now-nearly-1-in-5-new-covid-cases-though-hospitalization-still-uncommon/?sh=722f255e5d7c
Hospitalization and death from Covid-19 remains “uncommon” among children, the pediatrics group highlighted, with between 0.00% and 0.03% of all infections ending in death in the states that reported virus-related deaths by age.
628 many registered Democrats in nyc vote republican or for conservatives in the Dem party.. party registration is near meaningless when it comes to the two corporate parties. this is how we get republican mayors, and conservative mayors. there is certainly a class issue underlying all of this.
6:28 it is illegal to coerce and bribe for vaccines.our gov breaks law every day.
On lirr yesterday:conductor stated that masking is required but not enforced.(looks like about 50% dont wear them...)
Dispute at lirr outdoor waiting area.i was offered a middle seat of 3 or 4 at pinelawn station.i stated that although i did want to sit, i was going to eat and did want to be sitting unmasked between the two unmasked people.the nice man moved over so i had an end seat.they agreed to mask.the stupid woman then says:why arent you madking if we have to?i said:because i am eating.she said:that's no excuse! I exploded at her and moved away to eat standing up.my throat hurys today cuz i really yelled her saying :that's the stupidest thing i ever heard! I should have told het to eat her mask for dinner.
Im so sick of dumb shit!
Btw james, i read otherwise about israel.in older people. The vaccinatec are much more in the hospital than the unvaxxed.
Also when i see unmasked children(not babies, but maybe age 10?)with parents indoors unmasked, why should we vax?obviously parents do not care.the rule is vaxxed can be without a mask.obviously the kid wasnt vaxxed, in violation of the law, but hey, the unvaxxed maskers are the spreaders?gmafb! I bet het kid takes his mask off in school.
6:28 Saying "they debunked nothing" doesn't refute anything.
Breezy Point checked in with an astonishing 15.61% 7-day positivity rate, with 27 new cases identified between Aug. 19-25. Ironically, the area has high vaccination rates; 89% of its 3,393 residents have had at least one dose, and 82% of the populace is fully vaccinated.
From amny
Any of those kids die? No. Any hospitalizations? No. Bubble wrap your kids and let mine be normal.
Reading some of these comments here, I suspect many of you are so riddled with fear that you would have the authorities round up the unvaccinated, drag them kicking and screaming, and strap them to a gurney to receive the shot.
And when 100% were vaccinated you would still find yourself in a neurotic state of mind. You people are SICK
Very clever.
Its very easy for James Eterno to call for mask mandates. He is retired and doesn't have to deal with wearing a mask all day long in the heat and in a stuffy room. He doesn't have to fight with kids to pull up their mask or to put one on. He wont have to deal with angry admins who will surely use the mandate as a way to further harass and intimidate you if you should have one student not in compliance.
No, Eterno just sits on his duff all day and acts as the king of his blog.
All these comments. Over and Over. Nothing changes. Mulgrew doesn't care. Glad I retired. None of you have any balls. March 2020 all over again. Good luck.
The poster @ 6:28 is not a liberal. She's being the usual ass which is why she's not to be taken seriously on anything. She's hardly an upper middle class Liberal. It's her latest roundabout way of blaming black and brown people again. She's been doing that for weeks and her M.O. is so lame and tiresome.
First she was pretending to care so much about them, and now she's just calling for them to be coerced or whatever. Calling for them to beaten with sticks is her sick idea of satire. It's just her way of hiding behind other people hoping that if everyone just rallies around others, then Republicans won't have to contend with a mandate and vaccinate. That's her goal.
@10:57 - 6:28 is just trolling.
9:46, January 6th was a disgrace and an embarrassment, and it was also criminal.
I'm also hearing from chapter leaders that as late as TODAY, representatives of the UFT were using "HEPA" to describe these purifiers, which are—at the DOE's admission—not HEPA. Why is the UFT giving factually incorrect information about this to its members?
@UFT
@UFTSafety
Dues well spent.
12:27 The article says that pediatric hospitalizations were increasing. You think that just because modern medicine can keep some kids from dying that gives you the right to act so nonchalant about it? How about you bubble wrap your kids and keep them at home? Being around someone like you presents a risk and danger to others.
Just leave,NYC.
go south,get out
Go be with ur people
Stop torturing us with your presence
Taking jobs,parking, spreading ur crazy value system
U would never tolerate ur kids being taught by the flip side of u
Get out
628 "How many democrats vs republicans live in nyc?:
More Democrats, which is why there are more whites than blacks vaccinated. They are Democrats, not Republicans.
"Let’s force vaccinate all residents of New York City where we live and work". That's the plan but they're starting with teachers. Deal with it.
"Then we go after unvaxed republicans" The goal is to vaccinate everyone.
"We upper middle class white liberals did our part in nyc." You're not a liberal
"Time to get all those working class peasants to fall in line." Now you really sound like a right wing nut.
"Strip them of income and welfare benefits until they comply." Maybe they will.
"What’s DeBlasio waiting for? Beat them with that stick you talk about, Bill. Beat them into submission!" Time for an intervention. Let your aide know you're having another meltdown and are embarrassing yourself in public with another tantrum, stomping your feet and crying.
https://www.newsweek.com/memphis-teen-football-player-who-died-covid-was-vaccinated-mom-says-1622659
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33113270/
HEPA or not, the purifiers are incredibly loud and people who started using them already had to keep them turned off.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/ultra-vaccinated-israels-debacle-is-a-dire-warning-to-america
@1:36 - any suggestions?
Since someone brought it up, why hasnt the best union in the country told us about teachers choice yet?
Remember, joe Biden was going to shut down the virus, so not sure why we are getting hundreds of comments about the virus.
@1:06 well, the Republican @6:28, posing as a Liberal wants black and brown people beaten with sticks. No, seriously "What’s DeBlasio waiting for? Beat them with that stick you talk about, Bill. Beat them into submission!" You must be referring to her.
"I suspect many of you are so riddled with fear that you would have the authorities round up the unvaccinated, drag them kicking and screaming, and strap them to a gurney to receive the shot.
And when 100% were vaccinated you would still find yourself in a neurotic state of mind. You people are SICK"
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What's really sick is that you concoct up these stories, attribute them to the thoughts and desires of "other" people, and them use a straw man to attack them as being sick. Who would think of such crazy shit? Probably somebody who believes in wacky conspiracy theories. That's who.
@1:28 I'm sure James can speak for himself, but he has young children in the NYC schools. If doctors everywhere are supporting mask mandates why should he listen to right wing wackos rather than doctors?
@2:42. It's sad, and he won't be the last as long as there are huge pockets of people not vaccinated.
@1:06 sounds like you're the one riddled with fear over a vaccine. Grow up. Don't want to take it, don't. The boogie man is not going to come and get you, chase you down, and force you onto a gurney kicking and screaming. Good lord. You should really see a doctor about your irrational fears. Should you even be around children in your state of mind?
@628 sounds as if a diaper change is needed.
"Chief state school officers in Iowa, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Utah received letters today from the OCR questioning the states’ decisions to not mandate masks in schools. The Education Department maintains that mask-mandate bans discriminate against students with disabilities who are at heightened risk for severe illness from COVID-19 by preventing them from safely accessing in-person education.
U.S. Secretary of Education Miguel Cardona says that not mandating masks may put students with underlying medical conditions and disabilities at particular risk.
“It’s simply unacceptable that state leaders are putting politics over the health and education of the students they took an oath to serve. The Department will fight to protect every student’s right to access in-person learning safely and the rights of local educators to put in place policies that allow all students to return to the classroom full-time in-person safely this fall,” Cardona said in a statement."
"The department has yet to open investigations in Florida, Texas, Arkansas, or Arizona because masking bans in those states are enforced as a result of court orders or other state actions. However, the Education Department says that it will take action if needed if leaders in those states prevent universal indoor masking in schools."
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"How an after-school program achieved a high vaccination rate in a Black neighborhood where most young adults are unvaccinated"
And they achieved it without beating them over the head with sticks like some are suggesting.That's why people like that should never be in charge of anything. It's a start and maybe a model for other places:
Perry Stein
Sun, August 29, 2021, 8:08 PM
WASHINGTON - William Pitts was one of the first on staff to be vaccinated.
"I didn't have much trust in the medical establishment," Pitt said.
The program ultimately mandated vaccination for all 18 employees of Life Pieces To Masterpieces. Today, everyone there is vaccinated. The more than a dozen volunteers who interact with students are also vaccinated. So are the eight teens and college students involved with the program. More than 60 percent of parents with children in the program said everyone eligible in their households is vaccinated, too.
In a slice of the nation's capital with a vaccination rate below 30 percent for eligible residents younger than 40, the figures are a success."
And ones that Mary Brown, founder of Life pieces to Masterpieces, worked hard to get.
Brown said that although she understands the often complicated reasons vaccination rates in the District of Columbia's Black neighborhoods are so much lower than in other areas, she was determined to have a different outcome for her program. "These kids have been through hell," Brown said. "I am not letting anyone near these children who is not vaccinated."
"Leon County Circuit Judge John Cooper dealt the final blow of the week when he ruled Friday that school districts can enforce temporary mask mandates to contain the spread of COVID -19 and, to the surprise of the defendants, he used their own argument again them.
Exception to parental rights: In a verbal ruling from the bench, Cooper concluded that the governor and his legal team failed to properly read the Parents’ Bill of Rights, which they used as the foundation for their argument that parents, not schools, should decide whether children must wear facial coverings. The judge said they overlooked a critical paragraph in the new law: The one that allows school districts to make an exception when a requirement “is reasonable and necessary to achieve a compelling state interest.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/desantis-covid-fall-tiffany-carr-064540727.html
The World Health Organization has just released a guiding document for a digital vaccine certificate that will be blockchain based. This will be used to implement a vaccine passport in every country. It’s funded by the Bill & Melinda Gate’s Foundation & Rockefeller Foundation.
Nothing shady here, right James ? Let’s do our part for Gates and the Rockefellers ! We are all in this together !
In the past 2 months, 3 major studies have broken showing naturally acquired immunity is long-lasting, robust, and as good if not better than vaccine-induced immunity.
Just ask Harvard virologist and epidemiologist @MartinKulldorff
I wish you all focused on educating our minority studnents as much as you focused on this nonsense and repeating the same thing. No wonder you get lousy raises. Teacher? Not by my definition.
Absolutely, just that you now have to take the risk of getting covid and beating it. You're still safer taking a vaccine and not risking trying to beat covid and end up dead. Simple equation. Take tunnel 1 and have 90 percent chance of making it thru the tunnel. Take tunnel 2 and have 99 percent chance of making it thru. Sure you can get through one, but why even risk it?
I have to laugh when I hear Biden say that the biggest threat to the United States is right-wing extremism. No sorry dummy, the real Nazis can be found on the left,and the only thing standing in their way is a little thing called THE CONSTITUTION
Not nice.we want the same for the kids as for ourselves
4;18 exactly.then we will tell the mandaters i told you so after it is too late.meanwhile. because they act like the capos, we all might be forced into koolaid...cuz one half believes what the crooked, greedy politicians are pushing.wake up before the ship sinks!
On Martin Kulldorff:
"The controversial proposal was published by a right-leaning American thinktank, the American Institute for Economic Research. It was drawn up by three researchers – Dr Sunetra Gupta of Oxford University, Dr Jay Bhattacharya of Stanford University, and Kulldorff – and has garnered thousands of signatures from health professionals.
However, on 9 October, Sky News revealed that many of the “medical” signatories of the open letter were homeopaths, therapists or used obviously fake names, such as Dr Johnny Bananas and Dr Person Fakename, leading to accusations that the total number exaggerated the scale of scientific support.
The letter calls for those in higher-risk groups, including older people, to engage in shielding, while those in the least danger should “immediately be allowed to resume life as normal”.
However, other scientists have raised serious concerns over the core premise of the open letter, pointing to a lack of evidence that lasting immunity can be achieved, the practical difficulties in identifying all those who are vulnerable and the practicalities of shielding as well emerging cases of “long Covid”, which can affect otherwise healthy and sometimes young people who contract the virus."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/19/co-author-anti-lockdowns-letter-appeared-far-right-radio-show-martin-kulldorff-great-barrington-declaration-richie-allen-show
"The World Health Organization has just released a guiding document for a digital vaccine certificate that will be blockchain based. This will be used to implement a vaccine passport in every country."
What's wrong or shady about this? I thought people didn't want others coming here who are unvaccinated.
"What will it take for the American majority to stop being hijacked by the bad-faith politics of an increasingly radicalized GOP that will stop at nothing to promote death and achieve minority rule?
Most of us in this country, who have chosen life during a pandemic, are asked to coddle the unhinged temper tantrums and violent extremism of a conservative base that continues supporting the Jan. 6 violent insurrection and attacking our voting rights, and is willing to sacrifice our children as canaries in the COVID coalmine to fuel their endless culture war during a pandemic that has killed over 600,000 Americans."
"You can’t “win over” these folks anymore. They are too far over the bend to get brought back around by Hillbilly Elegies, FDA vaccine approvals, sympathetic profiles of voters in rust belt diners, or town halls with undecided voters. Facts, common sense, and good-naturedness will not sway their fragile, terrified hearts."
Enough coddling. It’s time to say enough is enough.
"It’s too late to convince people determined to believe otherwise that the pandemic is real, deadly, and requires them to wear masks and take vaccines. It’s been nearly two years. We could have reopened safely by now, saved thousands of lives, and protected our front-line workers if we simply followed social distancing and masking.
Instead, a radicalized minority enabled by demagogic governors continues to choose death, which Republicans are trying, insanely, to rebrand as “freedom.”
"That minority may have a right to choose death, but they certainly don’t have a right to infect us with their virus by coming to work, to sporting events and into our children’s schools."
https://www.thedailybeast.com/dont-negotiate-with-trumps-disease-spreading-zombie-army?source=articles&via=rss
People are either leaving, or preparing to leave, because it's hard to get through to TRS these days. They don't even put you on hold, they ask you to leave a number so they can call you back. Why else would so many people be calling?
1:39. So you’re not in favor of taking income/benefits away from those who refuse the vaccine? What made you change your mind? Why is it a bad idea?
957 - they wouldn't need to resort to a digital blockchain passport if the unvaccinated weren't selling counterfeit vaccination cards. How is it right that people don't want to vaccinate, but want to pretend they're vaccinated?
5:16 what does arguing for one's safety, during summer break, have to do with being a teacher? We do enough for the students all year long, 7 days a week, twice on Sunday. So what if we want to discuss these issues on our own time.
Unlike the fabricated gurney story above, this is a real gurney story:
"The hospital closest to our home had 82 patients working their way through the ER system there, with projected wait times of 3 to 12 hours. The main hospital about 30 minutes away also stated that they could not guarantee that anyone would see her within 4 to 6 hours, even though they acknowledged that her situation sounded pretty serious."
"In both cases, the hospital staff indicated that this terrible situation was mainly a function of unvaccinated people arriving at the emergency room with COVID symptoms."
"Karen then sat in a waiting room chair for almost 5 hours with a sick bag, all alone, until she was placed on a gurney in a hallway"
James thinks he is right on Israel. Easy to talk as retired, couldn't even wear the mask and last the whole day without fainting.
https://fee.org/articles/harvard-epidemiologist-says-the-case-for-covid-vaccine-passports-was-just-demolished/
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1
LMAO waitingforsupport @3:26. Apparently still is.
Anon2323 the sooner people are vaccinated, the sooner we won't have to wear the mask.
Do you know anything about the guy Kulldorff you're linking to? He calls for herd immunity by having young people get sick and spread it amongst themselves. LMAO. He suggests it would work better if the government paid for their separate housing when they get sick. Yeah, it's called the ICU.
One of the argument he uses against the passport is that we have "freedom of movement". Since when? We need passports, and visas.
This one is a doozy "“Prior COVID disease (many working class) provides better immunity than vaccines (many professionals), so vaccine mandates are not only scientific nonsense, they are also discriminatory and unethical,” HUH? Rich people don't get COVID? OK!
His version of the Big Lie "people who have had COVID already have significantly more protection from the virus than people who’ve been vaccinated. Meanwhile, people who’ve not had COVID and choose to not get vaccinated may or may not be making an unwise decision. But if they are, they are principally putting only themselves at risk.
I have worn a mask throughout the pandemic when it is called for. This is a ridiculous personal attack.
On natural vs vaccine immunity, I haven't posted much on that but here is a Twitter post that seems very reasonable:
You"might" get more protection from the infection than from the vaccine does not seem like a good health plan as the infection "might" also kill you while the vaccine won't. I'll stick with the vaccine!
I can’t believe anyone is still so sure they have the accurate information and the other guy’s sources are shit. Odds are we’re all misinformed… on purpose.
Curios to see how they ventilate those windowless, converted warehouses, in LIC.....
Remote is the only way.
The vaccine could certainly kill you as well
The problem is we’ve been groomed for this moment No one cares or considers the privacy issues let alone the Civil Rights issues We’ve been willingly giving up our privacy for years (thank you Apple and social media) No big deal - nothing to see here - this is madness
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